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  1. 6 points
    RyanE

    Control4 buys Neeo

    For a non-member of this cult, you sure seem to come to a lot of the meetings. RyanE
  2. 5 points
    Pounce

    Control4 buys Neeo

    What I think is so awesome is that I think some Russian programmer has really nailed the AI on this forum bot. Just crazy enough that we think its a human.
  3. 4 points
    therockhr

    Control4 buys Neeo

    I would caution Control4 about moving their remote to be too simplistic. The number 1 driver for me to use control4 was a hardbutton remote. I do not want to look at a touchscreen to change the volume, use directional pad or control the DVR. None of those things can be moved to a touchscreen. While I like the look of the NEEO remote, I dont see the need or expense of keeping a touchscreen on it. I honestly think touchscreens built into hardbutton remotes are pointless.
  4. 3 points
    wappinghigh

    Designing new house, new to C4

    Stay flexible. Be open minded to change. Spend up big on the networking and future proof structured wiring side. And sort out the WiFi, what extenders etc. You really need to get all that right from the start.! Central rack in correct position (remember they can be hot and noisy) that sort of thing. Always stay actively involved with the design and install of the project. Know what’s going on! That way if the dealer walks or you fall out later you know how to pick up the pieces. “Question more”‘ to quote Larry King. Don’t necessarily be sweet talked into thinking you have to control *everything* with Control4. It’s great for a lot of things right now But not all things IMO. Base your music multiroom choice on what streaming services you like and how you want to use it? Will your kids and partner still use the streaming service via the services app? Will they just want to stream from their mobile devices straight to the TV? Is gaming a priority? Is multi room music or video the priority with everyone. Central AV vs video sources in each room - Those are the questions you need to ask yourself. Make sure you understand HDMI HDCP is a complete PITA. Know why that is! Are you familiar with Alexa that sort of thing. Make sure you understand Control4 updates and add ons are dealer only and look like they will be for ever. This may never change. Cults often continue the way they started forever and if they decide to go down they often do so doing the same fixed thing and with the same beliefs, using the same way of thinking. Anyway that’s my advice - As I will no doubt be shouted off the forum (again) most of all enjoy the quest and the journey. IMO!!!!! Rock on C4!!!! W. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  5. 3 points
    eggzlot

    Designing new house, new to C4

    Sales volume can be misleading. Those labels are based on sales only. Get a contract with a developer doing 100’s of houses and you’ll sell tons of hardware like controllers and a few dimmers/switches per unit but maybe cannot program anything other than turning lights on/off. Ask for references and see if they will let you speak to an end user or two. Make sure they are happy with their setup and service follow ups.
  6. 3 points
    RyanE

    Control4 buys Neeo

    I don't agree with wappinghigh on this subject, secretly or in public. RyanE
  7. 3 points
    msgreenf

    Control4 buys Neeo

    No i don't fully agree or disagree with you. I think most customers benefit from having a professional setup their system. It's not just about the setup, it's the advice too and experience. Does everyone need it? no. but i strongly believe most do.
  8. 3 points
    RyanE

    Control4 buys Neeo

    Wap, for someone who has so much experience in leaving, you're not very good at it. Feel free to complain about Control4's business model some more, but it's not changing anytime soon. RyanE
  9. 3 points
    mindedc1

    AV Rack Overhaul

    Shielded cable is not required/recommended unless you have a source of interference. The CatX standards are self shielding to a great degree thanks to the twisting of the cable. The only place I've ever seen it (validly) used was around high power radio transmitters. The recommendations against patch panels etc. with HDBaseT is most likely more about the quality of the installers vs the ability to have an extra junction. Cat X cable (3,5,6,6a etc) have a defined impedance based on the diameter of the wire, geometry and twists per inch, and insulation. When you have a change in any of those factors you alter the impedance of the transmission path. The signal can hit that barrier and bend/reflect and come back as an echo. To prevent that the Cat X standards have lots of requirements about maintaining geometry of the cable and how it's to be terminated and run. For example, if you pinch or bend the cable sharply you can cause much worse problems than if you add a proper connection. If you want a patch panel it should be fine as long as you properly terminate the cable. Most people without training will not be able to properly use a punch panel to meet the standard. You should have 1/2" or less of unclad and unshielded cable INSIDE the termination. Most home gamers that use a punch panel (and shockingly some pros) will have have 1-6 inches uninsulated and often untwisted wires. The keystones can be much easier as someone alluded to above. To properly punch those you will need a real 110 punch tool like a harris, not the free plastic thing that comes with keystones at home depot. You will also need an appliance made for your brand of keystone to stabilize it while punching. The outer cladding of the cable should touch the back of the jack and the wires should stay twisted inside the keystone as far as possible. I think you said you're in IT. You may already know how to properly punch a jack or a panel. It should be fine with proper termination. I would not use a passthrough keystone as it's not that hard to terminate a punch keystone properly and you are adding an extra connection to troubleshoot if you have another RJ45 on the back. I would also use a tester to validate the cable. I know how to do it properly and I wound up having a few mis-wired that I caught with the tester. I bought it used on ebay and sold it back off on ebay for what I paid for it.. just lost the shipping costs. As for speaker cables, I wanted a patch panel for those so I bought keystone banana jacks. I was not really happy with that setup so I replaced it with Netrik Speakons and a patch panel for those. I used some decent CL2 inwall wire with the outer jacket still on it with Neutrik to the patch panel side and banana jacks on the amp side. There is no need to go higher gague than your inwall for patches. Most installers don't seem to do that but I'm very OCD with my own personal stuff. For POE I would not use a midspan, you're just adding something else to deal with. I would get a good quality POE switch. To me a good quality switch has a brand like Juniper, Extreme, Aruba or Cisco. I would buy an aruba S2500 POE used off ebay before I would buy any of the expensive "custom installer" hardware. They are quiet and have the same ASICs as more well known products. You get full management, loop protection, statistics etc...
  10. 2 points
    msgreenf

    Distributed Video Help

    You get what you pay for. It's like anything else in life. Quality costs money Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk
  11. 2 points
    chopedogg88

    Distributed Video Help

    ditto. I have several Just Add Power components for sale, PM me and I can make you a great deal if you wanted to do a whole 6x14 system. what you are proposing with multiple matrixes will be an absolute mess in my opinion.
  12. 2 points
    Is the house under construction? How many square feet? How many rooms with a TV? With new construction you have a lot of options and things to consider for maximizing your position. Panelized lighting. DMX lighting. Security integration. Monitoring of water, HVAC gas etc. Voice control. Wifi. Whole sets of options change according to price sensitivity and being able to give up the feature that forces a person to push up a tier or two.
  13. 2 points
    Your dealer should be able to help you with all of the requests you have. Best piece of advice I could give is to develop a good relationship with your dealer. That will go a long way to making your Control4 experience a good one. If you don't think that's possible with the current guy I'd consider looking elsewhere.
  14. 2 points
    thegreatheed

    Control4 buys Neeo

    Wap thinks that once again rehashing the most common topic on these boards (dealer model) is saying what "nobody else ever" says. LOL 🙄
  15. 2 points
    wappinghigh

    Control4 buys Neeo

    MSG I'd like to set my record straight as I disappear again. I know you all get sick of me. That's fair enough. But what I say needs to be said. Nobody else ever seems to.. particular the dealers. My attitude to the platform has never changed over the years. I love the platform. What I dislike is being treated by the company like a child or some sort of villain (if I want a market to sell my gear) by their business model. Not my dealer (he is awesome). Same goes for you guys. At least you take the time to come on here and help people out. I'm talking about the companies sales and upgrade model. So this is my record Ok just in case some want to slander me for thinking I want to wipe HA dealers out. That is not the case I assure you. 1/ I believe HA custom installers have a massive role in HA in installing and upgrading folks networks, homes, support, wiring, tech, sound setup in home theatres, security setup etc ... 2/ But I don't believe folks should have to get a dealer to do a simple firmware upgrade or swap over a TV (I use this as an example... who buys TV's from HA custom installers these days?). Or buy a new driver and add it to the system. If I want a new app on my phone I simply download it, add it, pay the software vendor direct via the Apple store and I am done. That's the sort of thing I would like with my Control4 platform. And I do believe in a platform that allows me to recycle my gear by allowing me to sell what i don't need anymore to someone else. The only way this can be done is make it legal for the next person to go take a try with it and DIY. And I actually believe this would be a positive for the platform. Into more homes. Young kids palyin' around with it soon become developers etc! That sort of thing. So I would like a half decent market for my second hand gear. I would also like more online information about how to use the platform available on line. Information about upgrades, what's happening, firmware release details and notes etc..That too much to ask? 3/ I believe with this sort of relaxation C4 has a chance to still compete with "the big guys" and the platform has a chance to grow. Get mass traction and acceptance in everyones home. Become the dominant force... Without it it's toast and you guys will have one less product to sell and our beloved C4 platforms will whilter and die in support... Is that too much to ask in 2019? With the likes of Ebay, Amazon, Google and Apple being set up like the way they have existed now for well over 2 decades? So that's it. I'm not the villain some think I am. Take care all !!! And Cheerio W IMO!
  16. 2 points
    RAV

    Control4 buys Neeo

    Neeo built a very pretty, stylish and thin remote. My guess, Control4 was designing a new remote, and they couldn't get the style right, and it was cost effective to buy Neeo and have their designers take over the category. I'll await criticism of the product design when it gets released. Regardless, it's a welcome step forward.
  17. 2 points
    RyanE

    Control4 buys Neeo

    This is debated quite a bit both within Control4 and within the industry in general. It depends somewhat on what your controlled devices are, for example, the Comcast Xfinity DVR has pretty good D-pad support, and doesn't need play/pause as hard buttons nearly as much as the Dish STB does, which doesn't support D-pad play/pause. The current NEEO remote does have volume +/-, channel +/- , mute, menu, back, d-pad (up/down/left/right/select), off, and home buttons as hard buttons, in a pretty compelling layout, IMHO. It's a bit premature to state exactly what any remote coming out of this partnership will consist of, exactly, but these considerations are definitely in the mind of the product manager over remotes, and I'm excited to see what this group can do. RyanE
  18. 2 points
    lippavisual

    Control4 buys Neeo

    I see this as a designing opportunity/purchase. Software for the remote was riddled with problems for years without fixes. all I can say is they better not get rid of the number buttons like the NEEO remote did.
  19. 2 points
    RyanE

    HouseLogix shut down

    Houselogix was bought by SnapAV *for their people*, which was a smart move. The drivers were an afterthought from their perspective. They wanted the developers developing *Snap* drivers. EV was bought by Control4 for it's people as well, and then made all of EV's drivers available for free to Control4 dealers, which was a nice bonus for the dealer channel. No one has bought any EV drivers since they were bought, since they're freely available. RyanE
  20. 2 points
    RyanE

    HouseLogix shut down

    ... And He's Back ... Not surprised with your lack of change in your opinions, which I still disagree with. That said, glad to see you're still alive and kicking. RyanE
  21. 2 points
    Cyknight

    Apple TV

    As am I - the way you stated it the driver is 'dead' for 4K and up models, which is completely inaccurate.
  22. 2 points
    GO to add IP Camera Select Custom and add IP address of DS2 Select Protocal and add - h264_stream Then add User name - root - Password - t0talc0ntr0l4! Could have missed something - But I think that the setting we have on our
  23. 2 points
    BraydonH

    Receiver options for new install

    Definitely don't try to use zone 2/3 on the amps. Get a c4-8amp for the 4 zones of audio, and get a denon/sony/yamaha/integra/onkyo/marantz for the theatre rooms. They all have good IP control. We typically do the Denon AVR-X3500H.
  24. 2 points
    mstafford388

    Dealer Account

    What good does "promoting" C4 do if you cant sell any of their products? kind of playing devils advocate here but wouldn't it make more sense for Control4 to have those clients work with an actual Control4 dealer who could service their systems AND sell them new gear?
  25. 2 points
    chopedogg88

    Multiple Controllers in Project

    Figured. But that should have been an EA1 at most. I hardly ever even add them unless the client really wants a dedicated on screen navigator on each TV. Most people hardly ever actually use the on screen in my experience. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
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