Nope. C4, just like many many (damn near everyone) other manufacturers provides extra incentives for moving boxes. I’m curious what you do for a living that allows you to obviously be financially secure enough to drop 6 figures on HA and obviously much more on a house but you think 5-7% margins are realistic [emoji1787] and that you have basically no idea how the manufacturer dealer relationship works No one, and i mean no one invests time and money to become a dealer of any product to give it away. Now to explain why it’s a dealer model and not a diy model - this is for everyone that doesn’t understand. It’s hard enough to support dealers that actually understand the design, installation and programming of the systems. If i call it’s a real issue and quite often a bug now a days. There are a lot of dealers to support. NOW if it was a diy model, support agents would have to triple or more as they would have many more calls from individuals that are clueless. Don’t believe me, no problem. Look no further than harmony killing their remote line because they lost millions a year on support. If that POS product is loosing that much on something that is extremely limited what do you think would happen to a product that is actually capable. Anyone can come up a argument about how they are “right” but the reality is there is a reason why there are diy setups vs. professional. If you want to have complete control and feel as if your getting the best deal possible go look at Samsung smartthings. If you want a more polished solution that is far more capable with great support than it’s time to understand this is the model in place and move on. Sometimes i think this is dumbest group of smart people around. It’s ok for the end user to make a great living but it’s not ok for the integrator to make a modest living? Gee thanks. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk