wappinghigh Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Years ago when it was a 250 even.. i suggested this was a good idea... and I keep coming over situations when gee wiz... i just wish the SR260 had an IR transmitter built into the end of it... kinda like the Harmony... So if network control fails. >. send IR command... and low and behold again... i have another example as my state of the art Sony tv dumps on my network and i have to pull out the ethernet chord... So can Control4 please think about designing something like this ? Thanks W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowitall Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 They didn't do it because they want you to use IR flashers so you can control devices with touch pads, keypads, iPads etc. it's a good idea. I think they do have the IR emitter built in but they will never use. I like your rants but this one is stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d1amund Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 I don't find this a stupid idea at all, honestly. Nearly every other "universal remote" has the ability to emit IR codes as well as RF. At the very least this is a good option for just turning on/off a TV that is being controlled via IR since most clients instinctively point it at the display anyway; of course there are scenarios where this won't work and an embedded emitter/232/IP is important...or like the OP stated, as backup when shit fails...and you know it will, just to keep some basic features available to the client. wappinghigh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gix656 Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 I'm with knowitall. They did this for the reason he stated. I highly doubt they will ever allow the remote to send ir. Even for the situation in the original post, that would only be a temporary fix which would make no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubben Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 It would be stupid as f@#k! my own system have 3 displays, all IR-controlled. So if something goes wrong it could be a solution to turn on the displays with the remote. But...they all have sound and inputs going through AV-switches that is controlled with IP or RS232, so I still can't hear anything or chose a source. And how should the remote go into "backup-mode"? If you just want to use it when everything fails, you can't control something that has failed. That includes a remote that is supposed to start sending IR-commands. The other option would be to always have it active. And if you happen not to point to your TV when you start your room, now you have an issue as most TV's have on/off-toggle. Or what about when you have your TV in front of you and your STB besides you? If you want your control-systems remote to send IR, you dont need a control-system, or have it poorly designed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forum Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 This is why harmony will always outsell Control4. thegreatheed and wappinghigh 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gix656 Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Honda will always outsell Ferrari as well! thegreatheed, therockhr and wappinghigh 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 the logic to make something like this work would be terrible, how do you know when to send IP or send IR...there are so many reasons why this wouldn't work, not to mention if you control4 system isn't working the remote ain't doing shit, the remote the needs the controllers to be up and operational.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAV Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 It's a control SYSTEM, not a remote control. "Well, in this room you have to point, and no the app can't turn off the TV because, and"... yeah no thanks. Run a wire, use a z2ir or IP control. Don't want no line of sight stuff. msgreenf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted November 5, 2016 Author Share Posted November 5, 2016 3 hours ago, msgreenf said: the logic to make something like this work would be terrible, how do you know when to send IP or send IR...there are so many reasons why this wouldn't work, not to mention if you control4 system isn't working the remote ain't doing shit, the remote the needs the controllers to be up and operational.... Why? Harmony seems to have been able to do it perfectly... Give one of the keys a "failsafe" command... The GUI on the SR260 could be used for feedback.... I get tired of Control4 and (some dealers) not listening to the experience of end users... clearly valuable feedback from the field in real life situations (when the dealer isn't there ) never gets fed back .... I've been telling you guys that this would be a valuable addition (when things fail)..which they do from time to time. No denying it.. Take it or leave it Whether dealers think it is a good idea or not is frankly irrelevant. You don't live in our houses 24/7... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 And what you or us think is irrelevant Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted November 5, 2016 Author Share Posted November 5, 2016 2 hours ago, RAV said: It's a control SYSTEM, not a remote control. "Well, in this room you have to point, and no the app can't turn off the TV because, and"... yeah no thanks. Run a wire, use a z2ir or IP control. Don't want no line of sight stuff. Bollucks. The SR260 is still designed like a traditional Universal remote. It even looks like one. It's an association in the mind thing.. There is absolutely zero reason why end users shouldn't be given the option to use it like that... I'm not saying make it just shoot IR.. I'm saying give us the option (on occasions).. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted November 5, 2016 Author Share Posted November 5, 2016 Just now, msgreenf said: And what you or us think is irrelevant Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk No it is not. We are the end customer. We pay the money.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted November 6, 2016 Author Share Posted November 6, 2016 Oh and BTW this is likely to become more and more a problem as we lose robust serial as a control option... (and the switch is on to network control) I'm saying network control is flawed sometimes and there needs to be a backup. Some around here can keep their heads in the sand and think network is 100% reliable 24/7, but that is just BS frankly.. It never will be. So without some sort of IR backup, frankly a 100% switch to network control is a train wreck of an approach IMHO.. 100% network control just does not cut it in the real world I am afraid.. way too many variables... be honest with yourselves and answer one question. How many of you still have the original remotes lying around in a draw? Lets do a poll shall we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMHarman Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 The Ir backup is the original remote. The minute I have to point my control4 remote at something I'm done How would this work with the app on a device ios. How does that blast Ir from miles away. msgreenf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted November 6, 2016 Author Share Posted November 6, 2016 I'm talking about giving back the added flexibility to the SR250 and SR260... It's got nothing to do with using apps, or ios or TS.. We still have an SR250 and 260 in all critical watching rooms.. in addition to all the other options... We happen to think this is still a pretty handy device to have lying around....even if it tends to disappear down the sofa gap on occasions.. JEC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted November 6, 2016 Author Share Posted November 6, 2016 People around here should accept that network control and the system is not 100% reliable all the time and Control4 should give us some options to get ourselves out of the odd pickle on occasions Geeeez. Some of us different, OK? As Elmo once said... Different is good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted November 6, 2016 Author Share Posted November 6, 2016 "You will do it our way or else" "Stop questioning us" because "We know what's best for you" "Now go back to the rear of the class and sit down you annoying little child" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 It does have to do. The remote is stupid. The remote doesn't work like your TV remote. It would be a total new hardware design. The remote doesn't send the TV a 1. It sends the proxy a 1 and then the proxy translates it to the command. That is why this doesn't work with the control4 architecture. Harmony remotes are smart. Control4 are dumb Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wappinghigh Posted November 6, 2016 Author Share Posted November 6, 2016 ^ Don't treat me as being stupid. I know how the SR250 and 260 currently works Then the current setup is a flawed design. So it has a built in IR emitter already ? that true? Fix it and redesign it... Give us the option. W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 ^ Don't treat me as being stupid. I know how the SR250 and 260 currently works Then the current setup is a flawed design. So it has a built in IR emitter already ? that true? Fix it and redesign it... Give us the option. W I have no idea if there is an ir in there but I do know you just doubled the price of the remote if you are adding real intelligence to the remote. This is why you have the factory remotes as backup. Sent from my Pixel C using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 And I would call your TV flawed not control4. It is the product that is causing all of the problems Sent from my Pixel C using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 Maybe your TV should have a backup network stack? Sent from my Pixel C using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 You always seem to find problems with 3rd party things and think control4 has a magic wand to fix everything Sent from my Pixel C using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 The SR250 and SR260 remotes *have never* had IR hardware built in. The Gen1 remotes had layout on the board for IR, as I understand, but it was never populated, since as others have mentioned, it's not a reliable control solution. RyanE msgreenf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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