House72 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Hello All I just want some level of clarity on pricing received just for one room solution. I have a media room with following: Epson 9700UB Projector Kaleidescape Vault and Alto Player Marantz UD5004 mainly for playing CD, SACD and DVD Audio Dish Hopper Marantz AV8802A Apple TV Roku Bluesound Node 2 for Audio Server Lighting system Lutron Caseta Pro Now I am being sold an EA-3 for $1300 and rack mount kit for $49 and just couple of hours programming @ $125 totaling to $250. So cost is basically $1599 plus taxes. My question is can i go with EA-1. Even if I want to upgrade in future can get a EA-3 and EA-5 and make EA-1 a slave. Why would I need a EA-3 now. I am also not sure he is making more $ on equipment sale and showing less on programming. Not sure what you guys think? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d1amund Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Are we to assume the system is already up and running and fully functional, other than the C4 system? If so what you have there is the EA-3 bundled with a remote and charging station. The price is spot on for the equipment and seems low if the system is functional otherwise. If the system is not already installed/functional...i wouldn't touch that for anything less than a grand for labor/programming. You have a good deal if that's a binding quote. And yes I feel the EA-3 is the safe bet. knowitall and South Africa C4 user 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forum Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 $149 Harmony Home Companion $50 Amazon Alexa Echo Dot 2 Hours of programming (Theatre + Caseta) Use Companion remote, or Phone, or Voice to control theatre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowitall Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 $250 for c4 overlay even if everything working is a steal. It will take longer than 2 hours to install even if everything 100% operational. If they're out the door in 2 hours you better have their number on speed dial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 4 hours ago, forum said: $149 Harmony Home Companion $50 Amazon Alexa Echo Dot 2 Hours of programming (Theatre + Caseta) Use Companion remote, or Phone, or Voice to control theatre. if all you ever want is 1 room, then this will likely work. But it is real limiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therockhr Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 7 hours ago, House72 said: Hello All I just want some level of clarity on pricing received just for one room solution. I have a media room with following: Epson 9700UB Projector Kaleidescape Vault and Alto Player Marantz UD5004 mainly for playing CD, SACD and DVD Audio Dish Hopper Marantz AV8802A Apple TV Roku Bluesound Node 2 for Audio Server Lighting system Lutron Caseta Pro Now I am being sold an EA-3 for $1300 and rack mount kit for $49 and just couple of hours programming @ $125 totaling to $250. So cost is basically $1599 plus taxes. My question is can i go with EA-1. Even if I want to upgrade in future can get a EA-3 and EA-5 and make EA-1 a slave. Why would I need a EA-3 now. I am also not sure he is making more $ on equipment sale and showing less on programming. Not sure what you guys think? Cheers You would be good with an EA-1 since this is only 1 room. The EA-1 comes with a remote if I am not mistaken. Have them quote that. This situation seems like exactly what the EA-1 was made for. The 2 hours of programming seems low. While this isn't that complicated it still takes a while just to get connected and bind all that stuff together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, therockhr said: The EA-1 comes with a remote if I am not mistaken the EA-1 can come w or without a remote...just depends on if you buy the bundle or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mntneer Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 The EA3 is better suited if you plan on adding onto the system in the future. d1amund and South Africa C4 user 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StroTek LLC Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Get the EA3 now.. it will save you on programming in the future when you want to upgrade.. and you have to switch from the EA1 to the EA3 as the master. Also how many lights are on the caseta system? d1amund and South Africa C4 user 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House72 Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 Hello All Thanks for the all the messages. I may not add another room for atleast few years. So I would be happy with a EA-1. Currently I have three light switches on Caseta System. He has quoted me for the bundle. Thanks Rajesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House72 Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 8 hours ago, d1amund said: Are we to assume the system is already up and running and fully functional, other than the C4 system? If so what you have there is the EA-3 bundled with a remote and charging station. The price is spot on for the equipment and seems low if the system is functional otherwise. If the system is not already installed/functional...i wouldn't touch that for anything less than a grand for labor/programming. You have a good deal if that's a binding quote. And yes I feel the EA-3 is the safe bet. Yes. My system is functional and currently was able to show Roomie remote working this. I just want something that is little more polished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House72 Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 I also have to mention this they have quoted me $1K in labor to wire 4 in ceiling speakers to run Atmos. Mind you my house has an attic and channel already run to get wires to my AV Rack. So my guess is they are looking at this from a big picture and making money there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeCowan Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 1k to just "wire" the speakers? That is absolutely insane. I too recommend to go with the EA3. The big thing that isn't being mentioned here is the different amount of zones you can control. Granted even if you want only one room at the moment, you would have the freedom to add additional zones at anytime. If you are tight on a budget the EA1 will suffice, but I would personally future proof. It's not that big of a cost difference. The rest of the quote looks fine but I agree the programming time is low. I would take the deal but request a free one hour visit if something isn't working correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mntneer Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 The other added benefit of the EA3 and EA5 is better High Resolution Audio support. 20 minutes ago, JakeCowan said: 1k to just "wire" the speakers? That is absolutely insane. I too recommend to go with the EA3. The big thing that isn't being mentioned here is the different amount of zones you can control. Granted even if you want only one room at the moment, you would have the freedom to add additional zones at anytime. If you are tight on a budget the EA1 will suffice, but I would personally future proof. It's not that big of a cost difference. The rest of the quote looks fine but I agree the programming time is low. I would take the deal but request a free one hour visit if something isn't working correctly. JakeCowan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abovedeck Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 It always starts with "just one room..." VINCELdUB, Thatguy230, koxkp and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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House72 Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 5 hours ago, JakeCowan said: 1k to just "wire" the speakers? That is absolutely insane. I too recommend to go with the EA3. The big thing that isn't being mentioned here is the different amount of zones you can control. Granted even if you want only one room at the moment, you would have the freedom to add additional zones at anytime. If you are tight on a budget the EA1 will suffice, but I would personally future proof. It's not that big of a cost difference. The rest of the quote looks fine but I agree the programming time is low. I would take the deal but request a free one hour visit if something isn't working correctly. I feel that is how he is making this viable and its my worry. His quote for labor is $1k for wiring four in ceiling speakers $500 for cleaning up all wiring in my AV Rack He also wants to sell me 4 Monitor in ceiling speakers @850 each for atmos and a $2500 amp to run that. I am probably going to ask him to just give me a C4 quote and separate out the job. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonic30101 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Sounds like he is probably overcharging for the speaker install but is definitely undercharging for the programing by at least 3 hours depending on expectations including training/comissioning. A wash is a wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d1amund Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 1k to wire up speakers is no more or less reasonable without knowing the difficulties of the task. Attic work...cost can go up especially if it's hot and humid. Difficulties with getting those wires down to the rack may also be present. My point...without an actual walkthrough nobody can tell for sure from the comfort of our desks. casperspooks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House72 Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, sonic30101 said: Sounds like he is probably overcharging for the speaker install but is definitely undercharging for the programing by at least 3 hours depending on expectations including training/comissioning. A wash is a wash My only worry is I don't want him to come back and say this is all covered in 2 hour programming. I would rather be happy if he prices according to job. This makes me think should I look for a different vendor. Unfortunately I don't have a C4 Dealer near my house. I have multiple people who are interested to do atmos install. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House72 Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, d1amund said: 1k to wire up speakers is no more or less reasonable without knowing the difficulties of the task. Attic work...cost can go up especially if it's hot and humid. Difficulties with getting those wires down to the rack may also be present. My point...without an actual walkthrough nobody can tell for sure from the comfort of our desks. I agree. In my case, as I ran wires for 5.2 initially know its easy. I am not an expert but took just couple of hours to fish wires through. I also ran xlr cases and now use powered speakers. I have channel for running extra wires there as well. So I feel its more of a wash, but just worried about programming quality as its quoted so low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casperspooks Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, House72 said: My only worry is I don't want him to come back and say this is all covered in 2 hour programming. I would rather be happy if he prices according to job. This makes me think should I look for a different vendor. Unfortunately I don't have a C4 Dealer near my house. I have multiple people who are interested to do atmos install. Couldn't agree more. On the flip side, client's concerns are understandable so probably best to just have a frank conversation with the dealer before making more assumptions. Hopefully clarity delivers a win-win all around. d1amund 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowitall Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Where are you OP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowitall Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 $500 rack clean up is reasonable I'd say depending on what's in and and how bad the nest is. Could take just as long to take apart as put back together. Plus any shelves, laces bars, straps, zip ties etc. agreed on wiring. Maybe you misread the quote or they mixed up the labor numbers and it's $1k to program and $250 for the speaker run?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowitall Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Or $1k rack clean up and install/program of c4? i dunno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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