brucecampbell Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 I've recently upgraded from 2.5.2 to 2.9.1 so I've now got access to ShairBridge. I was previously using an Apple Airport Express to airplay Spotify, which had a 7-8 second delay between the iPhone/IPad and music playing/stopping I was told once using ShairBridge will get rid of this delay, however it's still present. Any ideas what causes it and how I can remove it? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonic30101 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Is the express plugged into an amp or a controllers audio input? That seems long for a native airplay stream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucecampbell Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 The express is plugged into the HC800 controller. - which enabled my to use it for multiple zones. From memory the lag was not there when I had it plugged into one receiver only. Is the lag with ShairBridge normal? (i'd be happy with 1 second, but 7-8 is annoying) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegreatheed Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Any time you send audio over the network, lag will be introduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucecampbell Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 15 minutes ago, thegreatheed said: Any time you send audio over the network, lag will be introduced. Why? It is simply data travelling over a network. There is no big lag when I airplay video from my phone to Apple TV.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegreatheed Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Because the data doesn't spill out of the network cable directly into your ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucecampbell Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 1 minute ago, thegreatheed said: Because the data doesn't spill out of the network cable directly into your ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucecampbell Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 ... Maybe 2.10 and the Spotify Connect option is the way to go.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonic30101 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 1 hour ago, brucecampbell said: 1 hour ago, brucecampbell said: Why? It is simply data travelling over a network. There is no big lag when I airplay video from my phone to Apple TV.... With the express there are additional steps that you are not taking into consideration. The audio is going into the controller, being encoded to a digital format, then streamed out to other controllers which are decoding it. And the receiving controllers have to delay it a certain amount to make sure they are all in sync Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucecampbell Posted October 25, 2017 Author Share Posted October 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, sonic30101 said: Thanks - Yeah, I found an old post mentioning the digitizing of the stream by the controller(s). I'll have to experiment a little to see if I can reduce the delay at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Africa C4 user Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 I have a minor delay on Shairbridge but nothing like 7 to 8 seconds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tekki70 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 ive installed plenty of systems and none of them have a big delay, including my own system. most of my systems usually consist of controller stereo out, to an audio matrix to an amp. delay is just about a second or two. kids use shairbridge a lot, and I use it quite a bit to listen to my sons summer baseball games. only thing I can think of for you is to adjust audio delay turn on, adjust audio sensitivity, if you amp has these features. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvis Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 The fastest Airplay is going direct from the Apple Airplay receiver (express, tv, etc.) directly to the amp. Or an Airplay AVR. The fastest Spotify is to go direct to a Spotify Connect AVR. If you go direct to the AVR you get full volume control right from the Spotify app or Apple Music. No app switching. Right now I use Shairbridge via an EA-3 connected to the new Triad matrix. This feeds the C4 4-zone amp and two AVRs (each with two zones). I get the shortest delay I've seen with Shairbridge with this setup. Takes about 6 seconds only to start the stream (mostly caused by the amps powering up), then only a couple of seconds to pause/skip. In a blind test, the audience thought Spotify Connect via the EA-3 sounded better than Spotify Connect direct to the Denon AVR. Spotify app > Airplay > Pioneer SC-65 also did not sound as rich as Spotify App > Spotify Connect > EA-3 > Triad > Pioneer SC-65. Why I couldn't say for sure. Airplay to the AppleTV vs. Shairbridge was a toss-up in sound quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucecampbell Posted October 26, 2017 Author Share Posted October 26, 2017 I don't use an audio matrix - but have three receivers running 6 zones. In order to feed all zones I am using audio outs from both my HC800 and HC300 based on what other people have said - I am assuming having two controllers syncing and digitizing, this is possibly where the biggest delay is. I might remove the HC300 for testing purposes and see if the delay is reduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lippavisual Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 If you upgrade that 300, you should definitely see a decrease in the delay you're seeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 totally, the 300 is keeping you an legacy audio. you will see it be faster with advanced audio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucecampbell Posted October 27, 2017 Author Share Posted October 27, 2017 If I remove the HC300 from having any audio control - ie: remove the connection to audio in and audio out (both physically and in composer) But leave the HC300 active to control my additional relay, contact and serial. Would you expect the audio to speed up? or will simply having an HC300 in my project keep this delay as long as it is currently?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C4forlife Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 I have been running a hc 300 and an 800 for years and never had any lag or issues I just recently upgraded to a Ea 3 and there’s no change in audio .. your network has a lot to do with how well things stream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shivam Paw Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 I've got a H-800, 3 Ubiquiti Unifi Pro APs, 1 Airport Time Capsule as the Router and a Draytek Vigor 130 Modem...and I get a 7 second lag with ShairBridge. Also have Spotify Connect setup, it's delay is about 2 seconds which is manageable but not ideal. Any ideas on how we can improve these ones (especially the ShairBridge one)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvis Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Shivam Paw said: I've got a H-800, 3 Ubiquiti Unifi Pro APs, 1 Airport Time Capsule as the Router and a Draytek Vigor 130 Modem...and I get a 7 second lag with ShairBridge. Also have Spotify Connect setup, it's delay is about 2 seconds which is manageable but not ideal. Any ideas on how we can improve these ones (especially the ShairBridge one)? Do you have Advanced Audio enabled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucecampbell Posted October 31, 2017 Author Share Posted October 31, 2017 Advanced Audio is new with V2.10 correct?? What does this bring to the system? will it improve these lags? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Advanced Audio is new with V2.10 correct?? What does this bring to the system? will it improve these lags? No. Advanced audio has been around since I think 2.6Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucecampbell Posted October 31, 2017 Author Share Posted October 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, msgreenf said: No. Advanced audio has been around since I think 2.6 Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk Excellent. I will have to look into it further. What does it do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucecampbell Posted October 31, 2017 Author Share Posted October 31, 2017 Found this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shivam Paw Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 16 hours ago, Elvis said: Do you have Advanced Audio enabled? I'm not sure. Is there a way I can check? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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