chuddy117 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Is this being sold yet? Looks interesting: https://fccid.io/document.php?id=3684393 C4-CA1 Manual.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Paxton Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Not on the ordering portal yet. Looks like a EA-1 without audio out or GUI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Africa C4 user Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 This document was flying around last August before the September releases... My assumption (as nothing was announced in September) was that it was a fake... May be wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 What would the purpose of this controller be? A Zigbee repeater? A cheaper way of getting a serial connection to something like an alarm system? Why would it have an RJ45 serial port rather than DB9? It also has an optional Zwave module. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livitup Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 A (presumably) cheaper way to get people into automation that don't care about audio/video distribution and automation? This thing could do lights, door locks, shades, etc. I have a friend who is doing a DIY system for lights and locks - he's not into A/V at all, has 1 TV in his house, and couldn't care less about that side of automation. EA-anything is 50% wasted on him. The RJ-45 serial port isn't too strange... DB-9 has been falling out of favor. When Laptop/PC makers dropped serial ports it led to USB/Serial adapters, which came with RJ-45 terminated cables. It didn't take long for the device manufacturers to start switching out DB-9 for RJ-45. It's cheaper and smaller. Most serial console ports are now RJ-45. RJ-45/CAT is everywhere these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Ok thanks - I haven't seen RJ45 for serial on anything that I own, either C4 controllers or AV equipment. It is still DB-9 - but that does make a lot of sense. The only issue is to not confuse the ethernet port with the serial port. What you describe in the first paragraph is how I used C4 until recently - no AV, just lights, blinds, fireplace, locks, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonic30101 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Somfy shade controllers are the first that come to mind https://goo.gl/images/Q7x1Vy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 RJ45 for rs232 has been around for a long time, but I can't say I've seen it outside of 'pro installed' gear often (one I can think of is the 'not-so-pro' Hunter Douglas Platinum and powerview bridges). But yeah it's neither new or strange really. 3 hours ago, zaphod said: The only issue is to not confuse the ethernet port with the serial port. Guessing this is why you're not seeing on 'big box store devices' often As to why this, if it even exists, would not have DB=9 is easy - SPACE. Why they wouldn't do the 3.5mm though....maybe to allow it to have tx/rx- and + as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 That makes sense to save space and this is a pretty small device. I guess you have a lot more space on a full sized C4 controller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therockhr Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 This is very interesting for me. I currently have an HC-250 that I use for my whole home but I don’t use any of the AV and only use 1 serial connection for my vista alarm panel. All my AV is either IP controlled natively or through global cache devices. This would be perfect for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowitall Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I bet that DC trans is just as big as the unit. Stupid. Better be POE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therockhr Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 This product reminds me a lot of Crestron Pyng. I think this is aimed at security dealers, hence why the serial port is included. I like this a lot. Not every installation needs audio. Especially with Sonos, Alexa and other audio options out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 LOL you're all assuming it even exists beyond paperwork....and that the paperwork is even real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 LOL you're all assuming it even exists beyond paperwork....and that the paperwork is even real.Imho the paperwork is real.but the product was cancelled Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therockhr Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 8 hours ago, Cyknight said: LOL you're all assuming it even exists beyond paperwork....and that the paperwork is even real. This isn't Apple; No one is faking that document. They very well could have cancelled the product but I don't see why. Looks awesome to me. Let security dealers sell these for $199 and add a lock and some lights. Having a controller in their portfolio without AV makes a lot of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, therockhr said: This isn't Apple; No one is faking that document. Maybe not, then again it would take, what 10 minutes to do? This isn't Apple, it wouldn't get anywhere near the scrutiny. 1 hour ago, therockhr said: but I don't see why But you don't see why they would keep it either 1 hour ago, therockhr said: Let security dealers sell these Dear lord I hope not. No I'm not 'afraid' they'd invade my dealer space. I'm 'afraid' I'm too busy to clean up the mess. Note that I'm neither saying the device is real nor fake. Just saying to not get over excited about something that is nothing but a drawing and some words for all of you know. There's a lot of speculation on what this one little device may or may not do which is resulting in speculation on what direction the whole company is potentially going. That's fine as such, just keep in mind that it IS speculation. Note that I know there was a thread on this same document, for the same reason, back in august. You're all basically just repeating yourself. Inception.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therockhr Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Cyknight said: Maybe not, then again it would take, what 10 minutes to do? This isn't Apple, it wouldn't get anywhere near the scrutiny. Did they fake these images as well? 4 minutes ago, Cyknight said: Dear lord I hope not. No I'm not 'afraid' they'd invade my dealer space. I'm 'afraid' I'm too busy to clean up the mess. This is not a customer you would have ever had or will have. This would have been someone who got a security system installed and asked them about getting remote access, door locks, lights, thermostat and some wireless sensors. That security dealer would have tried to sell them a Honeywell Lynx (Total Control), Honeywell Lyric or even maybe something like Smartthings or Wink. I'm sure you do great work as you have lots of knowledge about lots of things on here, but not everything you do is that difficult. A technician for a security company could be trained to use Composer Express to add door locks, lights, thermostats and the like in a couple of days. They are doing it now with other products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therockhr Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Oh and they would have to have faked the reference to it in the Control4 Z-Wave Setup guide as well: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi_16D9l8vYAhVK44MKHa33DKwQFghLMAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fproducts.z-wavealliance.org%2FProductManual%2FFile%3Ffolder%3D%26filename%3DManuals%2F2447%2FDOC-00228-B%20Z-Wave%20Setup%20Guide.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1nmf3maIDbz8SybEthBNpO Again,. not saying this product gets released. It may have been cancelled, but it definitely isn't fake. And it looks like it just got submitted to the FCC at the end of last month: https://fccid.io/document.php?id=3684393 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therockhr Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 More photos from the FCC filing in December: https://fccid.io/R33C4CA1/Internal-Photos/Internal-Photos-3684387 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I love baseless speculation threads. They're my favorite kind of C4Forums. RyanE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therockhr Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, RyanE said: I love baseless speculation threads. They're my favorite kind of C4Forums. RyanE FCC filings are baseless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegreatheed Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, therockhr said: FCC filings are baseless? FCC filings are super unreliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therockhr Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, thegreatheed said: FCC filings are super unreliable. Very far from baseless though.... https://fccid.io/R33 Look through the past Control4 filings. i dont see many, if any, that didn't go materialize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuddy117 Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, thegreatheed said: FCC filings are super unreliable. Let's say they are extremely unreliable and can't be trusted. That doesn't change the fact that a picture of a new controller was submitted, along with a detailed manual. I don't see how the FCC being unreliable would have any effect on that?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therockhr Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 This is a strange forum. End users stumble across some information that leads them to believe a new product is coming out. Users start talking about how they like or dislike the potential product (because that is what you do on a forum) and here comes the dealers and employees acting like wet blankets telling them they shouldn't speculate or to not get their hopes up. Just weird... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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