elee532 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 How big a deal is it to swap AV receiver? My Denon 4520CI receiver just went kaput. I’m trying to decide whether to repair it (at least 3 weeks wait time) or replace it with a different model. I’ve got an EA1 system with a video projector, OPPO Bluray player, Nvidia Shield/IRUSB, and PC with Kodi app. How big of a re-programming project am I looking at if I get a new receiver? Is re-programming easier if I stick with Denon? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonic30101 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Pretty easy, not particularly a real difference as long as the dealer is familiar with other brands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopedogg88 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Takes about 30 minutes or so. I have had good success with Denons and IP control. 3400 is niceSent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisparsons1978 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 I do not recommend going with IR control even using SDDP they still fall offline and have issues, nothing is going to be more reliable than IR (unless of course the IR emitter falls off, which can be easily prevented with IR covers). In my opinion RS-232 is the way to go.The only reason I say this is because I’m in the field every day and I see it all the time. I’ve been programming Control4 for over 13 years now so I see this a ton. To answer your question, it should take less than 10 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elee532 Posted February 23, 2018 Author Share Posted February 23, 2018 @chopedogg88, I was literally reading up on the 3400 when you posted this. 🙂 Sounds like this could be a good option. My only real requirements are IP controlable, 2 sub outputs, 5 channel pre-outs, audyssey MultiEQ XT32. That 3400 looks like the least expensive option that ticks all those boxes. So glad to hear it’s not a huge re-programming job!! That being the case, I am going to see my local dealer and see if I might find one in stock tomorrow. Then, hopefully I can get my 4520ci repaired and sell it to recoup some of my costs. Stay tuned. Also, I got a reply from C4 on my inquiry about the projector issue. I’ll PM you what they said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elee532 Posted February 23, 2018 Author Share Posted February 23, 2018 Thanks @chrisparsons1978. The web page for the 3400H I’m looking at notes: Quote The AVR-X3400H is part of Denon's range of IN·Command series of custom integration friendly AV components, equipped with a range of features to provide enhanced control capabilities and compatibility with 3rd party and custom integration solutions. The AVR-X3400H features IP control capability for an integration with major 3rd party control devices and Control4 SDDP (Simple Device Detection Protocol) certification for quick and easy integration with Control4 home automation equipment. For direct connection to external home automation and control equipment, it's also equipped with an RS-232C serial port. The same also looks to be true even for the cheaper 2400H model. Sounds good, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F0ZZ Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 My local dealer told me any new gear I buy from them is added to C4 at no charge. Maybe your C4 dealer will do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christophers Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 re: denon and IP control, in my personal project i run 2x Denon (x5200w and x1200w) and have had zero issues on IP control... it always works. we have also integrated other customers' denon units with no issues. although rs232 is always a very solid option, i have seen no problems with denon IP/SDDP reliability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisparsons1978 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 I was at a show a couple years ago when I went to the Denon booth and the Marantz booth and even they have said that IP is not ultimately reliable if there is a quick power outage or something like that the internal network and go down and I’ve seen it I’ve been doing this for 20+ years IP is definitely the easiest but not the most reliable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christophers Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, chrisparsons1978 said: I was at a show a couple years ago when I went to the Denon booth and the Marantz booth and even they have said that IP is not ultimately reliable if there is a quick power outage or something like that the internal network and go down and I’ve seen it I’ve been doing this for 20+ years IP is definitely the easiest but not the most reliable interesting info. i keep all my systems on UPS power (double-conversion) so they never see anything except nice clean power. under those conditions they seem quite reliable. i know that if you start mucking with the web interface and run a backup or similar it can interrupt the network as well, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisparsons1978 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Furthermore one of the biggest things is firmware upgrades about zero is dedicated to IR or RS 232 but you can bet your ass that a lot of it is going to be network related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisparsons1978 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Keep this in mind everything we deal with now in days are computers.If they never get reset they start to run like garbage UPS’s are fine for DirecTV’s receivers and especially projectors considering they save the life of the bulbs.When in doubt power cycle a.k.a. reset it fixes things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christophers Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 can't say i agree with your points there. most manufacturers don't spend a lot of effort upgrading firmware of embedded network chipsets (hence lots of long-standing vulnerabilities around the world). that being said, you're correct that IR and RS232 controllers are virtually untouched. if a system is built properly with quality gear, then you shouldn't need to reset/restart devices to prevent them from running like garbage. i have UPS units and generators in tandem with load shedding to keep the systems in homes online when power fluctuates or goes out: purely for survivability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisparsons1978 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just in the past couple weeks I’ve had multiple problems using IP drivers SDDP for receivers mainly Sony and Apple TVs even if they’re on static IP address’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christophers Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, chrisparsons1978 said: Just in the past couple weeks I’ve had multiple problems using IP drivers SDDP for receivers mainly Sony and Apple TVs even if they’re on static IP address’s. that's unfortunate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisparsons1978 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Christopher if you have any suggestions I would definitely love to hear them.I’m not being facetious maybe you’re doing something I’m not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christophers Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 oh i'm not either! that is actually quite unfortunate, it would really piss me off if it happened to me. i generally don't identify by SDDP though if i can set the IP address itself in connections or in the driver properties. this is especially true over subnets larger than /24, and then you need to ensure you've added other subnets into the "allowed subnets" list for the project. i don't know that i have worked with any SDDP-identified sony TVs, but for apple TV i always just use IP address and skip SDDP (i didnt even know they did SDDP actually). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisparsons1978 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 OK I’ll keep that in mind thank you very much I’m new here and any advice you can give me is much appreciated.Us Chris’s got to stick together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 OK I’ll keep that in mind thank you very much I’m new here and any advice you can give me is much appreciated.Us Chris’s got to stick together. You can't id apple TV with sddp that I am aware of Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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