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Adding AppleTV as Listen Source in all Rooms


Vahn

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One of the things I like to do is use what is typically a Watch source in 4 rooms (via HDMI Matrix switcher) as a Listen source in multiple rooms, so I can hear the "tv" in any room even if I am not watching it.

This works perfectly fine with the DirecTV as a source plugged out of the DirecTV into the audio Matrix switcher. The DirectTV shows up as something you can add to the Navigator like I would expect. (Screenshot 1)

However, the AppleTV is plugged in the same way with analog 2-channel audio out of the AppleTV (via splitter) and into the audio Matrix switcher with the appropriate connections. (Screenshot 2)

But, when I try to add it as Listen source in Navigators, it's not available to be added in any room (like the Dining Room in the example) that doesn't also have it as a Watch source. (Screenshot 3).

Both the AppleTV and the DirecTV are wired into C4 in the same way. HDMI out from the device into the HDMI and AUDIO Matrix switcher (respective), so I'm really not sure what I am missing here. Beyond making the connection from a device into 1 of the 16 RCA/analog ports on the AUDIO Matrix switcher, what is required to have it available as a Listen source in every room with speakers?

Thanks for reading.

 

 

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First. Thanks for reply. Second. I may not understand the question.

Their didn't seem to be anything remarkable about the (Dining, Living, Pool/Spa, etc., all) rooms with only speakers and not Watch/video sources) other than the identification of the "speaker out" to that room from Matrix-based C4 amp.

The "endpoints" (not sure the correct word) are correct and function completely fine for any source into the matrix amp (like the DirecTV). I can "Listen" to the DirecTV in all those rooms, just not the AppleTV (which doesn't even appears as an option to add to the room navigator).

 

 

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AppleTV is connected to an amp directly, but your rooms endpoint is a matrix.

Without going into lengthy detail on how and what at this point - something's wrong there. Most likely, I'd guess that your ATV is actually into audio matrix input &, not the amp. That said, connecting it to the amp also cleared another connections....

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You are correct.  

It is connected to the Control 4 Audio Matrix, and always was, not an amp, on input 7. I thought that connection was made in C4, but I connected to the Amp and not the Audio Matrix in the Connections tab. User error, as expected.

Thanks Cyknight.

Screenshot with correct connection. Audio Switch, not Amp.

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With regards to physical inputs and outputs:

  • Physical input to the AMP was never modified. Physical outputs from the AMP were never modified either.
  • Physical input into the AUDIO MATRIX was, when I added the AppleTV to Input 7. Physical outputs from the AUDIO MATRIX were never touched either.

With regards to software inputs and outputs:

For safety, I went back and loaded an older backup that pre-dates the addition of this AppleTV to check the non-physical (software) connections and nothing was ever in the Control4 8 Channel AMP input 8 (the wrong connection I made).

If anyone cares, or wants to do something like this themselves, you may know the AppleTV (GEN4) and similar products such as the Amazon FireTV have limited interfaces.

AppleTV (GEN4) only has (1) HDMI output.

Previous to this project I was using a Portta D:A Audio converter with a previous generation of AppleTV (GEN2). That generation of hardware had an optical out, so I would convert it to analog and dump that into the Audio Matrix so I could hear the AppleTV in every room and not just those with Watch/video sources.

I found this AGPTek HDMI converter to work very reliably and give me the same effect. Audio is still carried on the HDMI to your TV or HDMI Matrix.

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Add another appletv driver, and an audio switch, connect it to the same IR port that the existing one is. take the existing appetvs audio and the new fake one into the audio switch then the output of the switch to the audio matrix input that the appletv is going into. Since the fake appletv only has an audio connection, maybe it will be treated as an audio only device

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Thanks for the suggestion, but my case is closed and I am all set.

The AppleTV did not appear as a Listen source in rooms without Watch sources, because I had made the wrong software connection. This was user error.

I made the software connection from the AppleTV to the AMP input and not the software connection to the AUDIO Matrix input. 

This was staring me in the face the entire time, but I didn't see it until Cyknight's post.

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ok, i didnt check to see if he was using the IR or IP driver. Either way the purpose was to create a fake appletv in the system to try an alternative. Also if you have a jailbroken or side load the appletv the IP driver doesnt work very well when in in those apps becaus the OK/Select button doesnt always work.

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FWIW - the IP AppleTV driver works like a champion on the GEN4 AppleTV (even if the instructions are written for previous generations of the AppleOS GUI).

I am glad to have my IR back (removed from previous AppleTV GEN2 this one replaced) because I was out of IR ports on the HC800 and will need that for a future project.

Bottom line: Double check your software connections. This one is particularly embarrassing because I had the screenshot of how it WAS connected (correctly, from the GEN2) next to the actual connection made for the GEN4, and I still didn't see it until it was pointed out to me.

*doh*

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