BrianJ Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 I am looking for any or all of the installer and training manuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henniae Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 I am looking for any or all of the installer and training manuals.How much is it worth to you? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdvr Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Henniae,stop being such a dealer, I will give the training material and all manuals to anybody.Just send me a email from SLC or Chicago; while your attending the new dealer training and I will send them to you.(you might want to download them onsight, but what the heck!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c4user Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 I have them. I will take $35.00 paypaled and I can email them to you in Adobe format. Original directly from c4's dealer site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveC4 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Hey dumbass, how do you know he isn't a C4 employee setting you up. Selling stolen merchandise is a worse offense than stealing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 c4user,Unless you not only have them, but have the copyright on them, you have no right to sell them.RyanE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian m Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 c4user,Unless you not only have them, but have the copyright on them, you have no right to sell them.RyanEsorry ryan - but you are completely wrong In the case of Bobbs-Merrill Co. v. Straus, 210 U.S. 339 (1908), the Supreme Court held that the exclusive right to sell copyrighted works only applied to the first sale of a copyrighted work. 210 U.S. 339, 349-350.While the copyright owner retained the underlying copyright to the expression fixed in the work, the copyright owner gave up his ability to control the fate of the work once it had been sold.More recently, on March 9, 1998, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that the first sale doctrine applies to copyrighted goods produced in the United States and sold in foreign markets. In the case of Quality King Distributors, Inc. v. L'anza Research International, Inc., 1998 WL 96265 (U.S. Cal.) [cornell.edu], the court held that the first sale doctrine prevents copyright owners from controlling the importation of copyrighted goods sold outside the United States. The court found that section 602(a) of the Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C. 602(a), gives copyright owners the right to control the importation of copies into the United States, is an extension of the copyright owner's exclusive right to distribute copies under section 106 and not an additional right of the copyright owner.Therefore someone can re-sell the manuals freely and legally ..... but can not sell the software per say...In fact I could sell both software and manuals legally in canada and from canada to the usa (as per the USA Supreme Court)- much as I can legally download content in canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveC4 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Brian, what if it has never been sold?Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Yes, but the person in question never *bought* them, *and* is not selling a single copy, is selling an electronic copy, which they have no rights to do.Certainly the legal question is thornier than I'm making it, but "first sale" doctrine only applies when there's been a sale.RyanE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian m Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 I didn't notice it was a downloaded electronic copy - in that case there is no sale (unless they had to pay for said electronic copy) -- if they take the training course and received manuals there, it would be ..also even if you did receive manuals at a course - you can't copy them and sell them, or even give away copies of a copy .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AS2 Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 I wish people would populate the wiki space we set up (http://c4forums.com/wiki.php) in order to create a real, dynamic manual for everyone to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecodeman Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 I wish people would populate the wiki space we set up (http://c4forums.com/wiki.php) in order to create a real, dynamic manual for everyone to use.I tried to put content there. It's hard to edit, honestly, though it would be nice so I can quit copying and pasting "XBMC, Zatabit, Netgear 9150", "wait for 2.0", etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil12011 Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 I have them. I will take $35.00 paypaled and I can email them to you in Adobe format. Original directly from c4's dealer site.this is the same guy who offers to "install" and program systems even though he's not a dealer... I'd be cautious of sending my money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poucedeleon Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 And on a brighter note, I purchased Composer Home Edition, when my installer showed up he forgot to pick up the disc from his store, so he used a copy he had on his computer. I did not get the disc it came on. Is there a manual that came with it that explained how to program with CHE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c4user Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 Just offering reliable services/goods. I'm not a scammer. Lots of hatters out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jberger Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 How reliable can the goods or services be if you can't warranty the purchase or call technical support? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian m Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 And on a brighter note, I purchased Composer Home Edition, when my installer showed up he forgot to pick up the disc from his store, so he used a copy he had on his computer. I did not get the disc it came on. Is there a manual that came with it that explained how to program with CHE?it is all in the help file really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanie_230 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Hi team, sorry to resurrect an old thread, does anyone have the training material that I could read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMHarman Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 And on a brighter note, I purchased Composer Home Edition, when my installer showed up he forgot to pick up the disc from his store, so he used a copy he had on his computer. I did not get the disc it came on. Is there a manual that came with it that explained how to program with CHE? The HE software and help file is all online at my.control4.com I don't own a CD with the software, just a software key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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