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So I did a similar post 1-2 years ago but my plumber is coming over within the next few weeks for a few odds and ends, and Black Friday/Cyber Monday is around the corner so it got me thinking again....

Current Set Up: Hardwired DSC Alarm with wired water sensors in most prone areas (sump pump, hot water heater, etc).  Tuya water sensors under sinks (cloud based).  All talk to C4 and I have a hardwired WaterCop to turn the water off if water is detected.  I also have a StreamLabs (cloud based) sensor to detect leaks (slow leaks, etc) but the issue is no C4 integration.  It works with Alexa and Google home, but if a leak is detected, I still manually need to execute the Water Cop to turn off water.  Also since the StreamLabs sits on the pipe versus being cut it, it is not as sensitive as other models that require a plumber to install.

What I am thinking: Replace the StreamLabs with something that can be cut in so it reads at a much more sensitive level for leaks.  I want to keep my WaterCop as the auto off because it is local/hardwired and not reliant on the cloud this way at a minimum, any water sensed by my DSC alarm will 100% turn off the water.  I am ok with a slow leak sensor thing being cloud based, but would prefer something cut into the pipe and something without a reoccurring subscription fee and of course some C4 integration for notices, to trigger the WaterCop, etc.

Thoughts?  Am I wasting my money and just steam with StreamLabs?  The less sensitive + lack of integration has me looking for another alternative.

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1 hour ago, South Africa C4 user said:

You are probably wasting money changing… but it is always cool to get everything integrated with Control4.

I’d recommend Flo by Moen (driver by CinDev) and if you want to graph water usage also, it links nicely with the Janus Technology BMS driver.

maybe it is a waste but the idea is, if a pipe bursts but not near one of my sensors, what good is it if I am notified but I am not available to check the message and turn off the water.  its a 1 in a million scenario, but that is the reason to have one of these devices, to protect from that 1 in a million scenario?

1 hour ago, wnpublic said:

This is the one that seems most promising to me w/r/t in the pipes.  Integration would have to be through IFTTT.

https://www.phyn.com/plus-smart-water-assistant/

IFTTT integration isnt awful, already have the driver and the pro subscription so it could be easy

Does seem like these are auto shut off + monitor units.  I guess I could have two auto off units on the line, I would just hate losing my hard wired/non cloud connected auto water off from my local sensors (DSC Alarm).  seems odd to go to the cloud when I already have a local solution covering a majority of the scenarios (so maybe I am wasting money).

I was hoping I could do something with an incoming push message (From StreamLabs) that would trigger something in IFTTT but no real luck doing that.

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1 hour ago, eggzlot said:

Does seem like these are auto shut off + monitor units.  I guess I could have two auto off units on the line, I would just hate losing my hard wired/non cloud connected auto water off from my local sensors (DSC Alarm).  seems odd to go to the cloud when I already have a local solution covering a majority of the scenarios (so maybe I am wasting money).

This guy looks like monitor only.  https://www.phyn.com/smart-water-assistant/

This thread has convinced me i need something like this, or the Moen.

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2 hours ago, wnpublic said:

This guy looks like monitor only.  https://www.phyn.com/smart-water-assistant/

This thread has convinced me i need something like this, or the Moen.

Saw that too but that is local at each location.  Cool idea, but that can get very expensive fast.  I am looking for something to monitor the whole house for small leaks in a pipe, or a pipe burst.  With that smart water assistant by phyn i believe it just monitors that specific feed so if you set it up on a sink it monitors that sink but not the rest of the house

My StreamLabs will monitor the entire house, as will Moen or the more expensive Phyn device.

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7 hours ago, msgreenf said:

Moen flo is great and honestly the c4 integration is really good but hardly needed. 

I agree with this.  The only reason that I (really) like the integration is that I graph all of my water usage and show this along with lots of other graphs inside Control4 using the Janus BMS monitor.

The other use that I have for it is turning of my main water supply (which activates my well) whenever I am irrigating.

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9 hours ago, msgreenf said:

Moen flo is great and honestly the c4 integration is really good but hardly needed. 

I have both, hardwired sensors thru my security panel and Moen Flo. The benefit of integrating both into C4 is you can shut down the water if a leak is detected by one of the hardwired sensors ahead of the Moen Flo.

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On 11/23/2022 at 5:46 PM, eggzlot said:

Saw that too but that is local at each location.  Cool idea, but that can get very expensive fast.  I am looking for something to monitor the whole house for small leaks in a pipe, or a pipe burst.  With that smart water assistant by phyn i believe it just monitors that specific feed so if you set it up on a sink it monitors that sink but not the rest of the house

My StreamLabs will monitor the entire house, as will Moen or the more expensive Phyn device.

You inspired me, i bought the Phyn+shutoff so will post my reactions when installed.

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