Tubblerone Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Hi, we are due to switch in a couple of weeks and are currently running a Draytek Vigor 2860 router in place of the Sky router. If I recall, I had to jump through some hoops identifying the ISP login and password in the original set up. Do I need to do this again for the Virgin Router (Hub 5 as far as I'm aware) and if so can anyone point me in the direction of some instructions as I'm coming up blank with all my searches so far. Alternatively, can I use the Virgin router directly and do away with the Draytek router? - I think the main reason my installer suggested I switch them out was to be able to bind MAC addresses so the C4 equipment would stop dropping off the network. Does the Virgin router have this functionality? Any advice on how to move forward would be great, thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHSquirrel Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Hi I have just had the same thing, I had a Draytek set up with NowTV broadband (uses skys network) it was a pain to set up as Sky actively tries to block 3rd party routers being used however provide one of the worst/cheapest router/Modem combos going. I had to use Wireshark to sniff out some of the settings from the NowTV hub first to then configure the Draytek but once I did the service was so much better. I have just moved to OneStream (Vodaphone Network) and it was so easy as the actively encourage users to uses there own kit if they want to and provide all the details I imagine Virgin will be the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popolou Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 You are right about puling off the login details from the Sky router (brings back memories) but it's not the case for VM. Presumably you are going full fibre? Simply put the VM router in modem-only mode and configure the DrayTek to get a DHCP IP on its WAN port in the normal way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubblerone Posted June 4 Author Share Posted June 4 50 minutes ago, Popolou said: You are right about puling off the login details from the Sky router (brings back memories) but it's not the case for VM. Presumably you are going full fibre? Simply put the VM router in modem-only mode and configure the DrayTek to get a DHCP IP on its WAN port in the normal way. Thanks, I'm not the most technical when it comes to routers, so forgive my ignorance - would the router automatically configure this once the modem is plugged in or is there more to it than that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popolou Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Depends, you might need to remove the login details from the WAN page on the DrayTek - i don't think the VM modem will act on it if it was there still but if you have DHCP options enabled then that will need to be turned off. If the DrayTek was configured to clone the MAC address of the sky router then that might need putting back to default too. If you enable modem-mode on the VM box and wire up the first port to the WAN port on the Draytek, it should pick up an IP address after a short while. I'd take a backup of the DrayTek for safe keeping and then simply plug it in and test. If it doesn't work, you will need to undo those specific settings that make it work for Sky and restore the WAN connection to its default. It's helpfully explained here too. You can also see that the WAN page on the DrayTek is a lot simpler than when it was configured for Sky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubblerone Posted June 4 Author Share Posted June 4 23 minutes ago, Popolou said: Depends, you might need to remove the login details from the WAN page on the DrayTek - i don't think the VM modem will act on it if it was there still but if you have DHCP options enabled then that will need to be turned off. If the DrayTek was configured to clone the MAC address of the sky router then that might need putting back to default too. If you enable modem-mode on the VM box and wire up the first port to the WAN port on the Draytek, it should pick up an IP address after a short while. I'd take a backup of the DrayTek for safe keeping and then simply plug it in and test. If it doesn't work, you will need to undo those specific settings that make it work for Sky and restore the WAN connection to its default. It's helpfully explained here too. You can also see that the WAN page on the DrayTek is a lot simpler than when it was configured for Sky. That's really helpful thank you. I assumed I would need to reset the router to default settings so as to remove any confusion re the Sky settings, so have already taken a backup. Let's hope it plugs and plays! As an aside, I'm aware the Draytek is getting on a bit now and currently have an Asus ZenWifi AX Mesh set up as 2 access points (for 5ghz Wi-Fi) . What's your thoughts on configuring one of these as the default router instead of the Draytek? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popolou Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Haven't used the Asus but i can see why you'd be thinking about it. If you're going with VM's full-fat fibre package, the max speed is actually above 1Gbps (1.2Gbps when i last checked) - the VM hub has a 2.5Gb port which pairs well with the Asus to get the most from it. There is normally more to consider but the real problem is that the 2860 could only handle a firewalled throughput of 300Mbps. Bit of a shame really because the DrayTeks are great bits of kit with lots of potential but not really cutting it anymore in the fibre world. Asus do give you a GUI with quite decent options to configure it but i think there is no real choice between the two because of the speed cap. Otherwise, I'd have probably split the role so that the DrayTek manages your network as the edge device whilst the Asus handles the wifi side of things (it's only a 1.5GHz quad-core) - if you enable all the content filtering, have a need for VPN tunnels and have many devices using multiple streams over the AX wifi, you could find it bogging down. Since the VM box will remain as the modem, it'd be quite simple to test between the two so you can see what works for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubblerone Posted June 5 Author Share Posted June 5 17 hours ago, Popolou said: Haven't used the Asus but i can see why you'd be thinking about it. If you're going with VM's full-fat fibre package, the max speed is actually above 1Gbps (1.2Gbps when i last checked) - the VM hub has a 2.5Gb port which pairs well with the Asus to get the most from it. There is normally more to consider but the real problem is that the 2860 could only handle a firewalled throughput of 300Mbps. Bit of a shame really because the DrayTeks are great bits of kit with lots of potential but not really cutting it anymore in the fibre world. Asus do give you a GUI with quite decent options to configure it but i think there is no real choice between the two because of the speed cap. Otherwise, I'd have probably split the role so that the DrayTek manages your network as the edge device whilst the Asus handles the wifi side of things (it's only a 1.5GHz quad-core) - if you enable all the content filtering, have a need for VPN tunnels and have many devices using multiple streams over the AX wifi, you could find it bogging down. Since the VM box will remain as the modem, it'd be quite simple to test between the two so you can see what works for you. I think I'll give the Asus a bash to begin with. We have gone full fat with a 1GB connection but I have two Gigabit switches in the house (one in the rack) that will likely limit this to 1000Mps anyway. I'm favouring the idea more though of keeping the Sky Broadband set up as is, and as you say, plug the VM into the Asus for Wi-Fi, so have some decisions to make! Thanks again for your help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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