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Apologies for reviving an old thread. Just thought I'd mention this in a place where people interested in this topic would see it. In the latest app update we've added the option to turn off the wallpaper preview for rooms. Should be helpful for properties that don't have many room unique wallpapers. You'll find it as the 2nd row in Preferences.

Thrilled to announce we have agreed a partnership with myQ, part of the Chamberlain group to provide official drivers, starting with Control4. Extract from press release: Today, Intrinsic Dev, a leading software provider to the custom install industry, and global intelligent access leader, Chamberlain Group, announced a new partnership that will provide integration solutions for smart home platforms, beginning with Control4. “This new partnership will provide another integration for homeowners and dealers looking to expand their smart home systems,” said Kiel Fitzgerald, Sr. Director & GM myQ Residential Partnerships at Chamberlain Group. “We look forward to working with Intrinsic Dev to further our myQ offering within the custom install industry.” Read the full press release here - https://www.intrinsicdev.com/myq-press-release/ The Control4 driver is now ready for public beta, if you'd like the chance to be involved please email ceri@intrinsicdev.com for more info.

Happy Christmas everyone. To all those who celebrate Christmas, I trust that this Christmas will be a meaningful one for you and your families as we remember the reason for the celebration, God bless. Thanks to everyone on this forum for your input and online friendship over this last year as we have shared the passion of home automation and, particularly, everything that Control4 can do. May 2024 be a great year for you all.

Greenfield solutions is excited to release our latest innovation: project quick start. This is a whole new way for dealers to think about starting a project. It's an agent that makes building out device and room hierarchies much quicker than manually double clicking a hundred plus times in a project. In our benchmarking, this can provide significant time savings. Check out the video to learn more https://drivercentral.io/platforms/control4-drivers/utility/project-quick-start-agent/

A couple additional issues surfaced during the beta, so those are being addressed now with a new HE build that should go out for testing soon. We'll be rolling the HE update out once testing and validation pass successfully. We have also identified the gap in testing that allowed this to slip out in an unfunctional state and have updated our testing/release process for HE to ensure this shouldn't happen again in the future.

I just spoke with the Composer team and it sounds like if testing goes well then a new update should be rolling out next week that will resolve the issue with Composer HE and OS 3.4.1

Hello! I've just released v20 of this driver, it adds support for OS 3.4.2 and also adds a property to increase/decrease the volume of Google Speech announcements There's also a sale on the driver price for the next couple of weeks

I just heard release day was moved to next week on Tuesday (2/27/2024), but everything is signed off so I would expect it to be live that day and shouldn't be any additional delays. @Cranky Oldman I just DM'd you the info to get the beta version, I believe it matches what will be the final release.

Ratgdo == Rage Against the Garage Door Opener. Pretty funny, but true... RyanE

personally, I don't care if you call it OS3, OS 3.5, OS4...what really matters is what functionality are you gaining

Hopefully the additional cost will help to cover licensing fees that Control4 may need to pay for things like future Apple Music/Spotify/etc integration!

It’s only been a week, but so far I have to say that I now regret not upgrading to the CA-10 and Core5 when they first came out. Touchscreens, iPhone and iPad apps, cameras, commands are all almost instant. Being a long time user, I think the move from the HC1000 to the HC800 to the EA5 blinded my expectations because each move was a noticeable improvement. But now I’m getting instant reactions. Love it!

I wrote a sun positioning driver that I need help testing. Driver allows you to trigger events in Control4 based on the suns location. This is great for shades and allows you to mimic control like Lutron's Natural Light Optimization. Driver calculates the sun position based on your project location and timezone. This driver does not require an outside API and all calculations are done on the driver itself. Below are the variables that you can use for conditionals. Driver fires an event on every calculation of the sun position. Sun Interval: How often the sun position should be calculated. Azimuth: Direction of the sun as compass coordinates. Altitude: Angle of the sun in degrees. (Positive - Sun is above horizon | Negative - Sun is below horizon) Season: Current Season based on Location Trending: If the Sun is going UP or DOWN Last Event: Day, Night, Civil Twilight, Nautical Twilight, Astronomical Twilight, Solar Noon, Solar Midnight If interested in testing, please DM me your email and I'll send you a beta trial. Thanks

We normally agree on things, but I beg to differ here. In my opinion, true automation should lean toward less user interaction and more intuitiveness. This isn’t to say that Voice integration is “intuitive” per se, but certainly removes some of the physical actions required to fire a “then” scene (scene being a very common Josh term). If you look back through some of my old posts I have always felt that the future of automation was voice, motion, occupancy and fencing (since they haven’t figured out how to read our minds… yet) via programming. When we walk into a room at a certain time or day, maybe certain lighting fires at one time, a different brightness fires at another time and potentially no lighting fires at another time. When someone is sensed in a room for a predefined period of time, maybe the temperature is adjusted differently. When you leave your home, certain “scenes” may fire and others when you arrive home. When another person leaves the home or arrives home, maybe any of those actions are different arrive/leave scenes depending upon if anyone is still or already in the home. Maybe a scene is fired when a vehicle arrives in your drive and maybe that’s different depending on which vehicle or what time it arrives. Maybe an event fires when someone enters a specific area of your home or property. And amongst many many other automations, maybe scenes fire based on time of day, day of the week, month or year. Could also be when you leave the home and rain is in the forecast, you’re sent a notification telling you not to forget your umbrella. The possibilities are endless. Voice control, eliminates the need to rise out of your chair or bed, walk across the home or room and other overt physical actions to fire a device or scene or to check a status. In the most simple of benefits, Voice eliminates the need for fumbling for a remote or getting up to use a touchscreen. Control4 is an automation platform and not simply a AV/lighting Remote Control system. We strive to make our home smart and work the way we live. Josh integration is leaps and bounds above any of the other voice control systems in every way. Integrating Josh with Control4 creates a much more powerful home automation system than either as a standalone. Anything you can do in Control4 can be done via a voice command with Josh using natural language tailored specifically to you. “Hey Josh, who is at the front door” will show you the front door camera (Yea, even a Chime) on the display in the room you are in at that time. And the room level scenes feature allows you to say “Hey Josh, turn on the lamps” (or turn on the ceiling lights, turn off the TV, and turn on the music for example) and Josh knows to turn on the lamps only in the room you are in. If you call the foyer “foyer” and your kids call it the “entry” it doesn’t care. You can say “hey Josh, it’s a little warm in here” and Josh will lower the TStat. It also handles compound commands “do this, this and this” and it accommodates. When I leave carrying something to my car I can say “hey Josh I’m leaving, lock the door in 1 minute” so it gives me time to clear the door before it locks and fires my away scene”. And of course the most advertised feature is that you can walk into a room and say “hey Josh, turn on the lamps, close the shades and let’s watch S1E3 of Better Call Saul. Josh will deep dive programming for you. You can ask for a movie and it will find options for you. (During setup the Josh driver for Control4 finds all of your steaming services and you can prioritize both where it looks first for video or music). Okay, that was a lot… but it’s my opinion that voice control is very important and Josh is the gold standard in that space, nothing else is remotely close today. It pains me as an end user and dealer for both products that they didn’t form a better alliance and they are at odds legally right now. It is in the best interests of both to resolve this quickly and to the benefit of each.

I reached out to a friend who works at Apple and have some more details. Last year, Apple released updates to their developer tools that allow third party developers to incorporate more Apple Music functionality into third party apps. These tools are Apple Apple MuiscKit and Apple Music API. These tools work with iOS apps, Android apps, and JavaScript apps. A Control4 integration would most likely use the JavaScript client/server implementation (control panel/smartphone app being the client, C4 Director being the server). There is a data share requirement: the user must agree to share their personal Apple Music data (i.e. personal music library details) with the third party developer (i.e. Autonomic/Sonos/Control4.) There are no data share requirement for the third party developer to send any data back to Apple, and looking through the API documentation, there are no provisions for even doing so. There are also no ads or pop-ups. The only requirement is, after a user signs in with an account that does not have an active Apple Music subscription, to inform the user that the subscription is inactive and that subscription activation is required to play music. All of this information is available on the Apple Developer website: Apple MusicKit, Apple Music API Here are the key takeaways: The Autonomic integration appears to be a fully authorized integration (using Apple MusicKit and Apple Music API) There are no data sharing requirements for third party developers to send data to Apple New functions were added last year that enable more comprehensive third party integrations Third parties must do some development work to enable these features, but it appears to be very straightforward and well documented, and reference libraries are available Given this, the big question isn't can Control4 can enable native Apple Music Support, but rather if and when Control4 will enable native Apple Music Support.

Hey Everyone, thank you for your trust in me to help you with your systems over the years! I have met and helped many great people and enjoy texting with you all. I have never raised my rates since I started and I contemplated it last year and held off, but now I will need to raise my hourly rate starting 1/1/2024. But good news, you can pre-pay for hours at the lower rate if you know you have a project coming up (change will not impact inflight projects). Thanks again and happy holidays everyone! Mitch

I am new here and do not know if C4 officially monitors this chatroom. This is a brief note of appreciation to C4 for swiftly resolving the issue that resulted in the Android app crashing upon any Webview subroutine. I can only imagine the difficulty of navigating an architecture dominated by massive players like GOOGL and AAPL. Thank you. Now, can we please get the Composer HE working with 3.4.1! Kind regards...

Conrol4 Driver is now available. Thanks to Paul Wieland for supplying hardware and the support he gave me to get everything going.

This plus you will become tempted to make your project bigger and better and at some stage things slow down again and you want even more power (I am, sadly, at that stage). Maybe T5s and a CA11 would make me really happy in 2024

Not everyone had issues with the NEEO's. I'd actually be interested in seeing how many issues on those were actually chipset related at all to be honest (in many cases I saw, the problems had nothing to do with the NEEO itself). You're saying you had issues with the NEEO's, and now you're saying you're having issues with Halo's? You also are saying you have a faulty CA10 Ethernet port (and from my understanding, both ports work independently? It could be worth checking your network to be honest

Nevermind, I just found the "Auto Setup Outlet Light Devices" under actions. Chowmain is amazing......

Your welcome. Here's a bit more detail (below) on how it works, if helpful. And happy to answer questions.

That is literally the reason I initially created the driver. That and because different manufacturers have different auto lock maximum times, and most of them are too short for me (60 seconds, usually). I want the lock to re-lock after 5 or 10 minutes of inactivity, and this driver resets the activity timer when the door is closed as well as not locking while open, so it's reliably '5 minutes after the door is last closed', or 5 minutes after the lock is unlocked (if the door was not opened). RyanE

It is not the door relay driver, it's the door autolock driver. Door Auto-Lock (OS2.9+) It requires not only a lock, but also a door contact sensor. With those two things, it shows door and lock status on a single experience button, and allows you to lock/unlock the door with the experience button. It's main functionality is to implement longer auto locking, and only auto lock the deadbolt when the door is closed. You turn off the deadbolt's auto lock functionality, and use this driver instead. It's one of my favorites. RyanE Edited to add: It also has a command which enables/disables the auto locking, so you can turn it off for parties or repair people, etc. It's pretty handy.

A status landing page would be welcomed. that said AV is quick to find, you could set up a dummy room called "Home" and have your locks/sensors/alarms on that page for a quick visual but it would be a hodge podge attempt at best. Not calling out those who "don't" want a dashboard, but there is a reason why dashboards are popular in the corporate world - cuts through the noise and you can see important things (to you) at a quick glance

I hope you are right and I hope they do listen. To me it looks like C4 is trying to mimic (unsuccessfully) the flat Savant user interface. I also hate the sub-menu under the new 3-line hamburger in the latest revision of OS3 so much that I refuse to upgrade. The colors and flat iconography is just a mess. To see them doing more of the same on the Halo has me worried they are going down the wrong path. As I've stated before, I am ok with flat design, it just needs to be done well (like Savant) to make it look elegant and modern as opposed to it looking like a 4th grader's homework project making icons in PowerPoint... People get heated (including me) about interface design because it is the INTERFACE and user experience. Everything else under the hood can work fantastically (and for the most part does in C4), but if the user interface and experience is disappointing it unsteadies the entire ship.

Outs or not, I just hope that Josh will be supported by control4 or Snap going forward. I had this put into my house a year or so ago, and find it really opens the system for use. My wife was not a huge fan of control4, found it confusing at times.. she loves just being able to tell josh to 'play music in the backyard', or to turn off all the lights in 5 minutes and not have to go to a touchscreen and mess with the hierarchical controls to adjust the 7 thermostats we have in the house. using alexa or even siri, which we did for a time, is just not the same.

This is exactly why I still prefer the older SR remotes to the Neeo. I need to be able to use the transport controls without looking for when I watch sports as I ride the FF and SkipFwd buttons constantly when watching sports, which is 90% of my TV watching.

LOL so secret even Control4 doesn't know about it. Silly.

Perfect size and they feel awesome. Love these remotes already. Now to get some of them online

LollerAgent is 100% correct, we added Split.io into the Control4 platform and applications back around 2019 when we moved to more modern software development and deployment processes. The frequency of polling was actually something we disliked about Split.io and earlier this year we moved off Split.io to Launch Darkly. So I'm surprised to see a Core controller still talking to Split.io. @416to305 I've sent you a DM for some system info, so I can have an engineer take a look at what is going on. I believe pi hole devices block communication to both Split.io and Launch Darkly, so you may want to consider whitelisting Launch Darkly to receive new features as they become available. pihole -w launchdarkly.com clientstream.launchdarkly.com stream.launchdarkly.com clientsdk.launchdarkly.com sdk.launchdarkly.com app.launchdarkly.com events.launchdarkly.com mobile.launchdarkly.com

Greenfield Solutions is excited to share that our drivers have moved over to Driver Central, starting with the renamer! No new featuers - all old licenses will work - no need to upgrade. but available for sale today https://drivercentral.io/platforms/control4-drivers/device-renamer/

While I agree 100% with the sentiment… I would say the percentages are a bit wrong… it would be the 0.1% who like to tweak and the 10% who get a poor dealer setup (my view - and this is not a dig at C4 or any of the dealers on this forum). Admittedly many of the 10% won’t find their way here.

you don't have phantom programming nor did your timers do anything. You have the light configured for auto-off. I just disabled it

Prompt, reliable, trustworthy, high-value are just a few ways to describe Mitch's service.

Have done some major updates over the past few weeks for the ratgdo Control4 driver. New features include Ability to programatically move to a specific garage door position Discrete Open and Close commands for supported models (not all garage door models support open and close commands. Some only do toggle). No Programming Automatic Push and Email Notifications (set through driver properties) for Garage Door Open Garage Door Close Garage Door Still Open (variable time defined in driver properties) Event on 'Garage Door Still Open'. Can be used to fire off an audio announcement or other programming (use the properties for email and push notifications as this is quicker for notifications). The driver is pretty much feature complete now. However if any of you have any suggestions please let me know.

If you want to see a major speed difference I would get a ca-10 to run your project and keep the ea-5 for I/O.

Composer HE is expected to release on 2/23/2024, if no additional critical issues are found. If any of you would like early access then DM me and I can get you a copy of the beta version for use/testing.

We chosen not to have the app be available until we we are able to test compatibility and the experience. You can expect the app to become available once the review and testing process has been completed. This is the same approach that was taken for supporting iPadOS apps on MacOS with Apple Silicon chips (M1, etc).

I think the reality is that everyone on this forum is going to have to pay for Connect eventually. We all talk about the latest features. I'm actually surprised there are so many people who don't use 4Sight/remote access already. There are people who probably never upgrade their C4 system and just want it to "work" and provide basic functionality. They'll probably never pay or will hold out as long as possible. Those people aren't typical of people here on this forum... I'm still unhappy as I think this is just a massive 4Sight price increase, but, if they do actually use it to improve the software, fine. E.g., I would pay to have better Sonos integration natively without Roon. And it would have been nice if they had a list of real things they could show us now that they are planning for Connect customers. But if they just pocket it for the shareholders, which is what I expect to happen, that is going to stink.

Finally! And thank you! Now we just need Apple Music to work natively within Control4...

If you are using a Home Theater Controller (HTC) in the year of our Lord 2024, you deserve whatever you get. May I suggest the easiest way to re-activate your Zigbee would be to buy a newer controller. RyanE

The driver is available and will be sold through Drivercentral.io shortly. If anyone wants early access, please PM me

that's the nice part about the platforms. Different use cases for different households. We had 4 T3's in the house from approx 2017 - early 2020 and maybe used them 1-2 per week. When we switched to using Josh in place of the T3's we use them 40-50 times per day for anything from morning routines (that vary on time of day so not scheduled in) to discrete commands when my hands are full. My wife uses it a lot to open close shades, turn on music and the such for her in-home daycare without having to find a remote or get to a wall with a touchscreen. For us, Josh is a discretionary spend but also has allowed us to get more value out of not only the Control4 devices we already had (i.e. lights, A/V, etc.) but saved on programming like Lutron shades where they just worked from the jump without having the integrator program them in. For the most part we use it as a 'layered' device in the same approach that Crestron has chosen to use it with their integration options with and making their OS Home app available on the AVA remote. Having used the system at this volume for 4 years provides enough of a sample size for our use case to recommend it to those that have a similar interest. If not sold on it and haven't used it before, that's all good too. And as far as price it fits our budget as we prioritize items like this discretionary spend over other items (cars, clothing, etc.) that others may value as good use of discretionary. We were considering Alexa and Google originally and I went to the Origin Acoustics HQ here in Vegas to play around with it in 2018. It was super clunky at the time and slow so it was a non-starter at the time. Voice is viewed as a complimentary element on our end and today the Josh platform provides a much enhanced home user experience for us for the reasons stated above and the very easy custom scene creation, editing and the like in the portal. That part alone has saved us thousands of dollars in creating custom scenes, triggers, etc and far superior to the When>Then C4 functionality. So I see these, in present state, as complimentary products if you have this or a related use case that fits your lifestyle. For us it's been fantastic as a paying customer for nearly 4 years of use. If we were to move/build a new home, it would be a strong potential to go to just Josh given the ease of use, deployment, hardware costs, and amount of daily use we get from the system. The reliability has also been quite good on the items we've compared on a case by case function such as using it to raise/lower shades versus the raise and lower on a C4 keypad, the 2N/DS Mini notifications, door locking and relays, etc. I am not sure it's quite there for a large installation (not an integrator so this is conjecture), but from what I have used and seen at other smaller installations (i.e. condos, townhomes) it works very well and reliably in my friends' and colleagues' properties as a standalone.

The Home/House status page should be an out-of-the-box feature, shouldn't require extra programming to build on a case-by-case basis...just like you get with all of the other competitors...and there's a reason. And that's half the reason that my Control4 clients who use Josh prefer the Josh app over Control4. RyanE I love you man but you're just making excuses That said, you do have the ability to easily see if there is any A/V stuff happening simply by seeing if the "3-line House" in the top right is active...so that's part of it. Now just need some more of that same idea but for lights, shades, locks, etc.

Going here - first time attendee. Must see's for me: Kaleidescape new Terra SSD's Crestron Home 4.0 SnapOne indoor & outdoor experience centers. Includes new OS update to Control4 Grimani Systems/Storm/MadVR theater demo Josh.ai Lighting solutions (Colorbeam, Ketra, DMF) Savant AVPro/Audio Control since mergered/acquistion

This is an opinion, as valid as those who don't like using voice. I'm personally in the "I don't talk to my house" camp. Neither is right, neither is wrong, as they're just opinions or anecdotes. The best thing is having the ability to do whatever you like best. RyanE

I have my fans hidden in lights and use experience buttons to control them in comfort (and / or favourited to the Home Screen). Both bNet solutions and Chowmain have cool experience buttons for fan control.

Unless you have use for existing EA5, instead of replacing it with a Core5, get a CA10 instead and keep your EA5 in service. You'll see a much bigger boost in performance.

@RAV Your suggestion makes sense to help dealers better understand the driver which is indeed complex (because it can do so many things). However adding a second pared down driver would make things more difficult to synchronize in the future. I have therefore decided to take your example and add a QUICK START section at the very beginning of the documentation. Can't be missed! ----------------------------------------------------------- QUICK START – A SIMPLE EXAMPLE Ask: the client wants to use one keypad button to activate/deactivate a Lighting Scene during the day and a different Lighting Scene at night. The keypad button LED must show the state of the Scene. Solution: ⦁ Install the driver. Do not modify any properties other than the ones outlined below. ⦁ In Agents/Advanced Lighting, create the Daytime and the Nighttime Lighting Scenes to turn on the required light(s) at the required level(s). Also create the Default Toggle Scene for each. As you have modified the Scenes setup, run the driver’s Action ‘Refresh Advanced Lighting Scenes’. ⦁ Use the properties Select Advanced Lighting Scene A to point to your Daytime Scene and Select Advanced Lighting Scene B to point to your Nighttime Scene. ⦁ Set the Control Logic When Activating/ON property to: d = A ; n = B This means that the first program will activate Scene A during daytime (lowercase d) and the second program will activate Scene B during nighttime (lowercase n). ⦁ Connect the driver’s Toggle Button Link L to the desired keypad button. You may modify the properties for Keypad LED Active/ON Color and Keypad LED Inactive/OFF Color if you wish. You are done! Now, read on… ----------------------------------------------------------- I hope this will be helpful and point dealers in the right direction. Paul P.S. to ALL: Do have a look at the driver's Action to '** Print ALS Reports', especially the Cross Reference report which was asked for in these forums just a few weeks ago.