Cyknight

1 hour ago, IBZICON said:

You're saying I could reprogram this switch

Yes, the fan controller buttons are fully programmable - unlike the KC120277 the layout just can't be changed.

For the record:

1 hour ago, IBZICON said:

KC, KD (which is a dimmable programable switch and not appropriate for a fan) and KA

KC = configurable keypad. Doesn't control a load itself

KD = is a keypad and dimmer in one, so controls a load as a dimmer (and yes not what you want here at all)

KA = something else entirely in that it's a special device to act as a multi-way switch for cheap (think top and bottom of stairs), no programming involved (or possible) and looks like a C4 regular switch or dimmer but no leds.

3 hours ago, IBZICON said:

Do I just leave the current C4 AC Fan Switch as is when the Modern Forms fan is installed by the electrician?

You'd bypass it's control wire and do a passthrough power to the ceiling fan location, at which point you could still use the existing fan controller as a keypad (but you can't change the layout so you're stuck with that. Alternatively you'd put a wireless keypad in place so you can configure it to you heart's content)

For notification on not playback: that's just Idle. Idle is neither record nor play - so yes it would notify you if it stops recording if used barebones, but if that is an issue, you can just add an IF statement for IF it is recording - stop, then do the notification.

As for your programming, why bother having the IF/Else statement to stop? If it's not playing, a stop command simply won't do anything to begin with: you're just over complicating things there.

The not always disarming, and the programming not triggering when disarming from the panel are most likely not an issue with the mockupancy: it's likely an issue with the alarm panel or it's driver: networx however is so outdated at this point, that I doubt you'd be able to find much support except on here - provided someone here is familiar with the product.

I fear your best answer will be getting a current alarm panel to replace the networkx. GE/interlogix has been gone for nearly 5 years, with end of support nearing 3 years....

45 minutes ago, DanITman said:

If you want real support it cost money.

And most companies have that money, and thus support, built into the product.

46 minutes ago, DanITman said:

If you would like to argue

Dan you really need to relax a bit: non of this is intended to be all that serious.

42 minutes ago, Control4Savant said:

Being opinion doesnt make it untrue.

Nor does it make it true. That's the thing with opinions. But feel feel to argue the facts (as well as the feelings) that fuel your opinion.

22 minutes ago, chopedogg88 said:

I've used this one, has IR driver not IP

https://www.snapav.com/shop/en/snapav/b-240-hdswtch-5x1

Binary 260 switch is the newer model, comes in 3, 4 and 5 in 1 out options, has IR and serial drivers. It's also 4K HDR and full 4:4:4 @60 (and no timing issues with active cables unlike older models).

I'm using two personally, one IR and one serial and they're rock-solid.

https://www.snapav.com/shop/en/snapav/switchers-splitters/b-260-swtch-4x1

1 minute ago, LollerAgent said:

I'm not seeing any mention of this fix in the 3.4.2 release notes, and no reference to the ticket (AV-9682) that was referenced earlier in this thread.

The release note bug fix list has never been really a complete list - and if the bug number never went outside of the beta channels, it would not make the list to begin with.

31 minutes ago, DanITman said:

Does Luma do video clip history or just snapshot like the D2?

I'm all ears for a better experience than Unifi. Please educate us on a better one.  All these Chinese NVRs have shit experiences. 

Video clip history.

As for the other line: I actually don't particularly like or dislike Unifi's option, but much like there networking gear I'll refrain from installing it due to lack of a support channel (I just had my guys rip out another unifi switch that failed, but we didn't install and don't have paperwork for to rma (at least not quickly) as it took down a complete C4 system as well as the internet for the family) - but my (mild) point was that it's opinion, not fact. You're taking my comment way out of proportion.

So please don't throw a 'please educate us' line at me: you made an opinionated statement in the form of fact: if you feel that it is indeed fact - then the onus of educating all of us is on you.

1 hour ago, DanITman said:

The closest you are going to get to that is the history integration with the c4 chime doorbell. 

1 hour ago, DanITman said:

Some cameras might integrate history now.

Luma x20 certainly does do history.

1 hour ago, DanITman said:

Overall, the best experience for camera and NVR software is Unifi

Stated opinion, not fact

Sonos does not allow browsing music services: the only thing it can show is tunein stations you favourite in the sonos app.

So I'm told, yes.

24 minutes ago, Brevanb said:

Does 3.4.2 contain the fix? I can't seem to see it in the release notes/bug fixes. https://www.control4.com/docs/product/control4-software/dealer-release-notes/english/latest//control4-software-release-notes-rev-as.pdf

1 hour ago, chudel said:

Hi - curious if anyone has put a C4-V-OOSW120-BL (Outdoor Receptacle Plug-in Outlet Switch) or Lamp Switch in a crawlspace? I'm generally impressed with how wireless signals just "umm, err, find a way" but the crawlspace is pretty well shut-in, no doors or windows.  I guess if I can use my mobile wifi from the crawlspace that would be a good enough test?

 

You bet, several times. No issue to date, even in a full concrete crawlspace. Ability to use Wifi in crawlspace will indicate a bit how good/bad the 2.4 Ghz penetration is, but inggnereal you'll simple want to have another zigbee repeating device (any c4 branded lighting, keypad) no more than 20 feet away, or a C4 controller 30f or Z2IO device 50f away and you should be fine.

Yep, S  is just HIK OEM - nothing ammis, and not bad cams.

My suggestion would be to NOT run them through the NVR if you want better motion triggers etc inside a C4 system, but feed them to a PoE switch, reset the NVR to do it that way and indeed use the Chowmain HIK driver - it'll be well worth it's small investment

1 hour ago, GregCAMS said:

Luma also offers a Luma Bridge if you acquire older X10 cameras to integrate to achieve all of the features that their current X20 series provides.  

Not quite. While the bridge closes a few gaps between the x10 and x20 cameras, it (potentially) does so much more, and does more with X20 cams than x10's. If you want x20 capability, get x20 cameras, don't think the bridge is some sort of upgrade path to make X10 into x20.

1 hour ago, mattyp said:

Is ClareOne a reliable security camera system? Given the choice between Hikvision and ClareOne—what's better? Or should I consider something else altogether?

Yes they are reliable as such but I'd stick with HIK or perhaps go Luma or Uniview on camera change. If wanting to keep old  cams, Uniview has good options for smart notifications etc in their NVRS, a better app than HIK and should be able to integrate the old cams just fine.

Current HIK NVRS aren't terrible in their smart work, but I can't say how well or poor your existing HIK cams are. If they're old 720p cameras, no smart NVR will fix that.

Honestly, I'd be hesitant to suggest going Clare. It's not bad stuff at all, but it's alarm panel portion has been struggling to make headway, and if one falls.....

Add that Snap has Luma as well as Clare so why keep both long term, and then add that Residio is looking to aquire Snap and is even more likely to keep only one (and Luma is more versatile).....

Well your $10 are worthless from a dealer perspective. They may even work fine (though I doubt they work well) - if doing those you may as well just twist rca cables to cat5 leads directly, save yourself an RJ45 end too.

$500 is a lot, but I don't use those, cant comment too much. Those do do SPDIF as well though, including passing through surround AND convert so not really a comparison to the $10 one you're linking. We use a different pro-only channel brand (GreenAudio) which off the top of my head price is something nearer to 250 US. Those can take either stereo, optical OR coax SPDIF and it'll output all three on the other end (if feeding stereo PCM, if surround analogue is disabled) similar to the one you linked from AV Pro. They're super universal so our install guys just carry them in stock in the vans - it's just not worth it from our perspective to carry several different options.

If you're more DIY in your install deal with your dealer, it's your time to go through 10 sets of baluns from amazon (and thus your time to consider vs finding a cheap option). That's not a negative - just pointing out that there's a reason you can do things like this cheaper if you're willing to use your own time.

Any way that is all  going too far into the realm of discussing why installers of ANY kind don't carry 5 options for every possible scenario and thus why you may be able to find a cheap one-off option and make it work.

OOps, yes didn't catch that, can't use the wired keypad, you'd want the wireless one.

18 minutes ago, RAV said:

But I don't think you'll be able to 'add' an up/down to the fan controller driver in composer.

The fan controller cannot change the hard button layout at all.

27 minutes ago, msgreenf said:

I’m not sure what you mean…the modern form fan uses WiFi and connects to Control4 natively.  You can then control it via any keypad, app, etc….

Meaning that yes any keypad would do in a way as you don't need line voltage control anymore. But watch code on having a fan hardwired with no on/off power control.

You could also basically just keep the fan controller (but you're stuck with 5 buttons), remove the 'hard' button connections, put in a bit of programming to keep that fan at 100% at all times and program the buttons to control the new wifi fan speed settings.

49 minutes ago, IBZICON said:

Sorry if I came across this way.  Had a local dealer over today that informed me with C4 launching Connect that networks have to be on Araknsis with the ports labeled and a wiring diagram uploaded to drop box, so the C4 techs have access to the “in and out” of system when contacted.  This Diamond dealer told me that issue with Ubiquiti was getting product during the pandemic and lack of human tech support—but had no issues otherwise with Ubiquiti.

PS long time > 11 year lurker on this forum, that I decided to sign up (11 yr C4 customer). 

Connect is simply the new (required) 4Sight and that won't have any Araknis requirements (remember, OVRCPro is built into C4 controllers).

ASSIST which is the higher tier option may (sort of) have that, I wouldn't know the details as non of this is rolling out in our region for now (US only) so I haven't dug into it. Assist gives (certified for it) dealers added remote assist options as well as direct C4 support access. If nothing else, I expect added C4 direct support on networking issues will have requirements (such as using araknis/pakedge and other OVRC enabled devices) to at least some degree and may have specific equipment they wont support: i doubt it'll mean they won't support other troubleshooting however.

And no I certainly wouldn't suggest Eero either, bu that's just me.

Also, as an Epic/Gold/Diamond dealer employee: don't fall over your dealer being Diamond or otherwise: that is 95% based on sales volumes, and the other 5% is a handful of requirements on certification and number of certified employees - non of which make ANY guarantee on the actual working knowledge they have. Not in any way saying that the dealer you're talking to is bad - any more than I'm saying they're good.

As for labelling (at least important) ports and having wiring diagrams accessible (in general terms), well that's just proper setup really.

35 minutes ago, Control4Savant said:

Please share with us your comprehensive list of what all corporations and universes prefer to use, are using and plan to use in the future. 

The list is:

-Not UBQT now nor for the first decade after they announce a proper support channel.

I've no particular hard feelings against UBQT but no sane enterprise level IT department, even outsourced, would use something with no pro support line on gear.

Of course we're not talking corporate offices or universities here but homes so it really doesn't matter does it.

9 hours ago, RyanE said:

The reason I run with Passthrough mode off is that the icon is not always accurate (select Netflix, hit 'home', and choose Hulu on the Roku, still shows Netflix icon, since mini apps are not 2-way).

RyanE

Same for me: myself and kids just switch apps using the 'roku controls' often enough that it doesn't make sense to use passthrough as we'll be watching disney+ and it'll say netflix (or whatever combo) becuase the system isn't going to be aware of those changes.

We do set passthrough for clients, especially for 'simple' setups and multi-(outside of family) user setups to be less confusing (ie retirement home theatre we're setting up will have this - they won't even be aware there's a Roku as such, just that there's a bunch of streaming services)

On 4/20/2024 at 5:25 PM, IBZICON said:

Interesting conversion/thread as my C4 dealer recommended Eero last year.  I’m surprised with all the negative comments regarding Araknis routers/network switches that C4 dealers post on back channel social media platforms.  Ruckus is interesting, but with the WiFi standards changing from WiFi 6E now to 7, as a Ruckus WAP is over $1,500 and WiFi 7 will be outdated in a few years.  The typical C4 customer has a large house which will require many WAP’s.  The back channel dealers have been recommending UnFi for routers/switches.  

LOL. Troll post.

It really does just that - keep the selected mini driver as the visible 'source' device.

That doesn't mean there may not be an issue with it - but that it's sole intended use and function

On 4/20/2024 at 12:25 PM, therockhr said:

If you asked the average person to look at this device and the C4 touchscreen they couldn't tell the difference. 

Looking around at documentation it appears that this device cant do the intercom function.

On 4/20/2024 at 10:23 AM, Control4Savant said:

You can consider them whatever you want but they are definitely touch screens.

Maybe just for fun answer the question asked which was how they compare?

I was talking about the axxes ind keypads, not the android touchscreen. My mistake, I though he was asking if I installed many of those.

If the average person can't see the difference between that (the axxess keypads) and an actual touchscreen (C4 or tablet doesn't matter) then humanity is in deep trouble.

And no it won't do intercom - that is only available on native C4 screens. As for how they compare: I never suggested them, never used them at a client, and likely never will (nothing against them as such, but if going the alternate option route I don't see why I'd use that over a mounted tablet).

I demo'd one and found it slow to respond to touch and slow to load - but that was an early unit so I will certainly say a newer user should comment on how well they work for a better 'review' than I can give.

21 hours ago, IBZICON said:

Second Edit: Could I use this (JTECH-AET-AS) with the a TS-AMS8-V2?

Yes, but again, why would you. Using ARC if optical is simply available makes way more sense.

There's also audio baluns that take optical and output stereo analogue out there as well that would work with your current audio matrix without any 'trickery' - I really just see ZERO reason to enter ARC into the mix as a somewhat unstable and difficult to work with way of getting audio to your speakers....

WHY would you use an ARC return in that situation, when you can simply use a sstandard audio balun for either stereo or SPDIF? Depending on age of C4 8x8 matrix, it should have coax SPDIF inputs, but you're just using a much more expensive options, potetnially with more add ons, to do something that can be done much simpler and cost efficient.