Ok, so multiple issues caused the problems I was having. A storm took out 12 ports on a switch and 8 on a POE switch, the UDM reset caused all APs to default to Mesh mode, 2 cat6 terminations were bad, the recently added fiber converter had the SC inputs switched on one side and the app defaulted to adopting APs as stand alone / mesh / wireless and NOT the hardwired connection!!
what a mess!!
thanks to everyone for adding suggestions and for Nick who also called and offered some great suggestions!!