Easier than that, create a lighting scene in C4 but don't do any lights go to programming. Set what you want to happen when that lighting scene is triggered. Ie (Close Kitchen Shades) is the name of the lighting scene. No lights programmed but in programming I have it set to close kitchen shades. Then create an alexa routine that says when "Alexa, close kitchen shades" is said run this lighting scene. Works pretty well. If you do it with a routine you can say it like that, if you don't want to do alexa routines than you can just say "alexa, turn on close kitchen shades" little counter intuitive but works. This way don't have to worry about the wrong programming number and don't need any other devices.