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HOW DO YOU WIRE 1 NEXT GEN DIMMER TO TWO AUX KEYPADS .... OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE A HOT & LOAD COMING IN AND GOING OUT HOWEVER ON THE AUXILARY KEYPADS THERE IS ONLY A HOT, NEUTRAL & GROUND......ACCORDING TO THE DOCUMENTATION YOU HAVE NO WAY TO CONNECT THE TRAVELER WIRES......IT TELLS YOU TO CONNECT A HOT WIRE AND THEN THE NEUTRAL AND THE GROUND.   THAT LEAVES ME WITH ONE WIRE IN MY SWITCH BOX THAT HAS NO TERMINATION TO MY NEXT KEYPAD........OBVIOUSLY IN THE 4 WAY SCENARIIO I HAVE MY TWO INPUTS (TRAVELERS) AND TWO OUTPUT (TRAVELERS) AGAIN 1 HOT WIRE ON A KEYPAD AND ONE NEUTRAL.   RATHER OR NOT I HAVE A 3 WAY OR A 4 WAY THERE IS NO WAY TO CONNECT THE TWO TRAVELERS AND OF COURSE TECH SUPPORT COULD NOT HELP ... 

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YOU START BY TURNING CAPS OFF.

Then you re-read the dimmer's instruction manual which will give you every possible method of wiring an aux keypad, also telling you that an aux has no hot whatsoever.

Unless of course you don't actually have auxiliary keypads but normal keypads.

 

Obviously tech support can't help you, can't go around yelling at them.

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I understand that... And I have a KA....I understand the yellow wire is not a traveler.....so again back to my scenario I was looking to have some advice not sarcasm...and I did read the diagrams .... 

Was using a SW120277 and 2 KA for a 4 way .... The wiring diagrams do not give this scenario or for that matter a 3 way scenario.  I had an electrician with many years of experience (not automation) and when you have a KA at the middle location that has 2 travelers in and 2 out with only 1 hot on the KA and then the neutral it threw him and I am definitely not an electrician and don't claim to be...I was told to use the SW120277 and 2 KA for this design by C4....

 

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OK - CAPS. AN AUXILIARY KEYPAD DOES NOT HAVE A HOT.

Either you have configurable keypads (a different beast) or you need to look again. An aux has 2 wires - one for neutral and one for data.

The wiring diagram for the switch most certainly has the scenario for a 3-way setup. Second diagram on the install manual (figure 4) - I'm looking at it now. You have more? just parallel wire them or multiply the connections depending on the scenario. Out to lamp not in the same box - your experience electrician cannot figure out to use one of the travelers for that?

You simply wire the dimmer as a dimmer, and use the second traveler for the data wire....not sure what else I can tell you.

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Is the wiring in your home current? You should have romex with a red (traveler) black (hot) white (neutral) and bare copper (ground) connecting all the switches.  If yes proceed below, if no it can probably work you'll just have to get creative.

 

Step 1- find the power (line) coming into the group of existing switches. 

Step 2- find the power (load) going to the light. 

Are those two lines in the same junction box?

YES. 

Step 3 - install switch at that location black power in to black on c4 switch. Black out to light to red on c4 switch. White to white. Green to ground. Red to yellow on c4 switch. 

Step 4 - at other locations and provided you actually have AUX kp's, BLUE to white, green to ground and yellow to red. CAP OFF BLACK WIRES at these locations. They are not used  

Step 5- restore power and test.

 

NO

Step 3 - start at location where power (line) is coming in. Connect black power in to black wire that is part of the 3 way circuit. Put AUX KP here.  Blue > white, green > ground, yellow > red. 

 

Step 4 - at "middle" location connect the two blacks (to continue to carry power thru). Put AUX KP here.  Blue > white, green > ground, yellow > red. All of them together. 

 

Step 5 - install c4 switch where the load (light fixture) wire is. black in from 3 way romex wire to black on c4 switch. Red from c4 switch to load to light. Yellow from c4 switch to red, whites to whites and green to grounds.  

 

Step 6 - restore power and test. 

 

Final step- hire new electrician. 

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15 hours ago, knowitall said:

Final step- hire new electrician. 

I'd say that would be the first step.

PS, there are multiple ways to doing all the above that would allow you to place the actual switch in ANY location - ie put in the most critical location - or NOT right where the LED blinds you as you get out of bed....but you'd certainly need that new electrician.

 

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On 8/28/2016 at 7:40 AM, knowitall said:

Is the wiring in your home current? You should have romex with a red (traveler) black (hot) white (neutral) and bare copper (ground) connecting all the switches.  If yes proceed below, if no it can probably work you'll just have to get creative.

 

Step 1- find the power (line) coming into the group of existing switches. 

Step 2- find the power (load) going to the light. 

Are those two lines in the same junction box?

YES. 

Step 3 - install switch at that location black power in to black on c4 switch. Black out to light to red on c4 switch. White to white. Green to ground. Red to yellow on c4 switch. 

Step 4 - at other locations and provided you actually have AUX kp's, BLUE to white, green to ground and yellow to red. CAP OFF BLACK WIRES at these locations. They are not used  

Step 5- restore power and test.

 

NO

Step 3 - start at location where power (line) is coming in. Connect black power in to black wire that is part of the 3 way circuit. Put AUX KP here.  Blue > white, green > ground, yellow > red. 

 

Step 4 - at "middle" location connect the two blacks (to continue to carry power thru). Put AUX KP here.  Blue > white, green > ground, yellow > red. All of them together. 

 

Step 5 - install c4 switch where the load (light fixture) wire is. black in from 3 way romex wire to black on c4 switch. Red from c4 switch to load to light. Yellow from c4 switch to red, whites to whites and green to grounds.  

 

Step 6 - restore power and test. 

 

Final step- hire new electrician. 

 

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Hello knowitall,

 

Although your post is a few years old, I had the same exact question which was posted by Innovative. As a newcomer to home automation solutions and Control4, it took me several hours to find your answer searching the internet. Although having 2 engineering degrees, electrical engineering was never my strong suit. Your explanation was most clear. It is quite disconcerting to see the condescending responses from several egoistical pricks to someone answering a legitimate questions. No, the instructions provided by Control4 for circuits with multiple 3 and 4 way switches is not very clear at all. Your instructions are perfect. These Control4 dealers and other described gurus in this thread certainly give the community a bad name.

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ON the Aux KP just bond the neutral and the ground. Then your left with just the yellow wire. Tie that to the yellow wire on the dimmer's Yellow wire.

Thats as simple as I could explain it. Really its just 1 conductor.

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Glad it helped. The control4 instructions are very clear.  They can’t write a manual to your specific situation. 
 

electrical engineering degree does not mean you’re not an electrician.  
 

 

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On 8/28/2016 at 11:31 PM, Cyknight said:

I'd say that would be the first step.

PS, there are multiple ways to doing all the above that would allow you to place the actual switch in ANY location - ie put in the most critical location - or NOT right where the LED blinds you as you get out of bed....but you'd certainly need that new electrician.

 

Wasn’t trying to get too advanced for all the engineers around here. 

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