videostorm Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 41 minutes ago, zaphod said: I installed the app and I didn't see anything mentioning compatibility. I had to scroll through a long legal screen and now it is saying something like "you need a license" If not compatible, it would have said so on the legal screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 On 11/15/2017 at 2:39 PM, videostorm said: New 4K HDMI encoders: U-RAY 4K HDMI encoders based on the latest HiSilicon chipset Supports all the necessary features for NetPlay (Tiling, RTSP, multicast, etc) ~$370 shipped Order link on Ali Express LINK That AliExpress link goes to the UHE265-1 device that only appears to support 1080p. "Support Resolution:Max 1920 * 1080P /60fps" On AliExpress I have found at least two URay devices that support 2160p30 - the Uray UHE264-1-4, an H.264 device for $380: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/H-264-4K-HDMI-Video-Streaming-IP-Encoder-IPTV-Encoder-For-IPTV-And-Live-Streaming-Broadcast/32835653624.html And the Uray UHE265-1-4, a H.265 device that also supports 2160p30: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/URay-HEVC-4K-Ultra-HD-HDMI-To-IP-Video-Encoder-H-265-H-264-IPTV-Encoder/32846556967.html Are either of these two 4K encoders supported in Net Play? Too bad these devices only support stereo audio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
videostorm Posted January 29, 2018 Author Share Posted January 29, 2018 The first one (4K h.264) has already passed testing. It is a very good encoder. The second one (4K h.265) is in testing right now. The HEVC / h.265 is a nice feature, but still has a couple bugs to be worked out. We have a new "NetPlay Ready" program that is coming online soon. It will make 3rd party encoder selection, purchasing, and configuration a lot simpler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Thanks. How come these HDMI encoders don't appear to be sold in the US? Are they in a legal grey area? If you speak to Uray directly you should push them to include better audio support. The big downside to these devices is that they only support stereo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
videostorm Posted January 29, 2018 Author Share Posted January 29, 2018 They can be because not all of them encrypt their outputs. We do provide the required encryption code under the "NetPlay Ready" program though. In a NetPlay system, the final output is always encrypted (regardless of the source used). We also have the IP for multichannel audio which we will provide under terms to 3rd party vendors in our Netplay Ready program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 32 minutes ago, videostorm said: We also have the IP for multichannel audio which we will provide under terms to 3rd party vendors in our Netplay Ready program. So does this mean that if I use the 4K h.264 encoder and feed it a signal from a cable box that is 2160p with 5.1 surround sound that it will encode with 2160p video and 5.1 audio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
videostorm Posted January 29, 2018 Author Share Posted January 29, 2018 The audio / video formats are independent. Our code encodes the audio as both 5.1 and 2.0 (downmixed). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Great to hear. By "our code" do you mean that you have your own proprietary firmware that is installed on these URay devices to do the encoding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
videostorm Posted January 29, 2018 Author Share Posted January 29, 2018 Meaning our intellectual property (source code etc). We provide to our partners under terms via our NetPlay Ready program (for inclusion in their system software). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy.trochez Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 On 2/9/2017 at 9:20 PM, videostorm said: Most h.264 encoders on aliexpress use the same HiSilicon chipset and compatible HiSilicon encoder A: (UHE264-1L) HD, HDCP, RTSP, multicast, sub stream, HDMI passthrough HiSilicon encoder B: (UHE264-1-Mini) HD, HDCP, RTSP, multicast, sub stream HiSilicon encoder C: (UHE264-1-4K) UHD, HDCP, RTSP, multicast, multiple sub streams Do you guys know what the latency is on these encoders? Thanks, Eddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
videostorm Posted February 11, 2018 Author Share Posted February 11, 2018 They vary from 100 to 250 ms depending on the exact video format. Our algorithm accounts for this to give a fixed end to end latency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy.trochez Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 The issue is distributed audio. How do you deal with audio coming from a matrixed system to in-ceiling speakers (for example)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
videostorm Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 You have several choices: Use our CMX-A2 DSP audio switches. They will correct for latency / lip sync in a fully centralized audio system. Use local audio output from any decoder / TV. This is always in sync. This can be used for local speakers or back fed to a centralized system. Use an extra decoder in rack to provide switchable audio (also corrected) Any combination of the above can be used in your system. They all work together. In practice, residential applications typically use #2 or a combination or #1 and #2. Commercial applications use #3 if less than ~4 zones of audio, otherwise #1 becomes more cost effective for more zones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lippavisual Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 YOU need to use an audio switch that is capable of audio delay, like the CMX line that Videostorm sells. or you could use any audio dsp as an add onto any amp to allow for the delay necessary. in my findings when using all VS equipment, 120ms usually covers most sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy.trochez Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 8 hours ago, videostorm said: You have several choices: Use our CMX-A2 DSP audio switches. They will correct for latency / lip sync in a fully centralized audio system. Use local audio output from any decoder / TV. This is always in sync. This can be used for local speakers or back fed to a centralized system. Use an extra decoder in rack to provide switchable audio (also corrected) Any combination of the above can be used in your system. They all work together. In practice, residential applications typically use #2 or a combination or #1 and #2. Commercial applications use #3 if less than ~4 zones of audio, otherwise #1 becomes more cost effective for more zones. I’m sorry I wasn’t clear, I know you need a matrix with delay settings. My question was about systems that are already implemented. I guess decoders in the rack is the solution for rooms with sound coming from the matrix. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pounce Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 On 1/29/2018 at 10:51 AM, videostorm said: The first one (4K h.264) has already passed testing. It is a very good encoder. The second one (4K h.265) is in testing right now. The HEVC / h.265 is a nice feature, but still has a couple bugs to be worked out. We have a new "NetPlay Ready" program that is coming online soon. It will make 3rd party encoder selection, purchasing, and configuration a lot simpler. I'm looking at getting a 1U Uray encoder for 4K. I see above you say there are some things to work out with H.265. Are the bugs still an issue or is it worth getting at this point in time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
videostorm Posted April 15, 2018 Author Share Posted April 15, 2018 I would wait on the h.265 unit right now. Probably another month or two before its software is totally stable. The 4K h.264 device is the best one right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
videostorm Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 The new NetPlay Ready video encoders are now on our site! http://www.video-storm.com/proddetail.asp?prod=netplayready The first encoders certified will be from Shinco. We expect these to receive official certification within a week or two. The hardware is already verified if you want to buy today and update later. Shinco products are available via Alibaba (links are on that page above). NetPlay Ready encoders integrate in your NetPlay Pro or Home system just like our VTX100. Simply use the button to ID the device, select your stream resolutions and type in our source setup, and NetPlay handles all the details for you! Shinco is also certifying their 4K h.264 & h.265 encoders. Look for those as well in the near future. We have also listed the URay encoders which are tested compatible but require manual setup on the same page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pounce Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Interesting that the new encoders don't compare well to your own product. Am I missing something? Why are these good when they don't have some of the important features? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
videostorm Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Pounce said: Interesting that the new encoders don't compare well to your own product. Am I missing something? Why are these good when they don't have some of the important features? They are a much less expensive option for when you don't need the extra features. For $175, you can get very good live video distribution using these products. It gives you the flexibility to only pay for what you need. You can choose the right encoder based on the source you want to distribute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pounce Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Seems like the Uray stuff compares better than these at the resolution limit they have. I mean no offense. More than one option is the value of your solution, so I appreciate the diversity. How would you compare these to Uray products of the same resolution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
videostorm Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 10 hours ago, Pounce said: Seems like the Uray stuff compares better than these at the resolution limit they have. I mean no offense. More than one option is the value of your solution, so I appreciate the diversity. How would you compare these to Uray products of the same resolution? The difference is in configuring your system. With the Netplay Ready products, you never have to manually configure the encoders through the encoder web control pages. With the NetPlay compatible products, you do have to do all the settings manually. After they are configured, they all work just like any other NetPlay source. URay offers an encoder with HDMI loop out function. Very useful in decentralized systems. In terms of 1080p30 verses 1080p60, for most broadcast sources this makes no difference. 1080p60 is almost never used to broadcast video via cable/sat/streaming etc. 1080 is either sent as 1080i60 or 1080p30, the box frame rate converts to a 1080p60 HDMI output, but a proper encoder will still distribute it as 1080p30. Shinco does actually also make a 1080p60 version of these encoders as well. You can contact Jacky for those. I think they are around $30 more. We chose to certify the 1080p30 products first because 1080p60 isn't used on most sources (even though it looks better on paper). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pounce Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Thanks. That's helpful. How about audio extraction, 5.1 and video wall? Do the Uray products offer that over the Shinco line? Seems like these are some important features, but perhaps video wall is more commercial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
videostorm Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 51 minutes ago, Pounce said: Thanks. That's helpful. How about audio extraction, 5.1 and video wall? Do the Uray products offer that over the Shinco line? Seems like these are some important features, but perhaps video wall is more commercial. VTX100 is the only encoder that currently includes audio extraction, 5.1, and video wall. We have made this IP available to 3rd party vendors but they have not integrated it yet. Audio extraction: Hardware which provides a latency correct audio output from the encoder (only needed if using centralized audio and not using CMX1616A2) 5.1: Encodes multichannel audio over the network (in addition to stereo). This is good to have if using distributed (not centralized) audio to zones with surround sound speakers. Video wall: You need this if you are sending this source to a video wall (array of televisions). Note this is different than tiling (multi sources on 1 tv) which is supported by all these encoders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
videostorm Posted June 3, 2018 Author Share Posted June 3, 2018 The NetPlay Ready Encoders from ShineCo are now officially certified AND available via Amazon!! When ordered on Amazon, they ship (usually free) to North America via DHL (normally 3-5 business days). Our 4K HDR NetPlay Pro decoder, VRX040, is now also shipping!! Finally, our website now has Residential and Commercial Quotation tools that tell you EXACTLY what you need for your system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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