msgreenf Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 https://www.engadget.com/2019/09/17/amazon-music-hd-high-quality-lossless-audio-streaming/ rea 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shupp872 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I saw this earlier, any idea if this will work with the current Amazon music service via the controllers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted September 17, 2019 Author Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, shupp872 said: I saw this earlier, any idea if this will work with the current Amazon music service via the controllers? idk...the driver was updated last week but i haven't looked at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rea Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, shupp872 said: I saw this earlier, any idea if this will work with the current Amazon music service via the controllers? I agree...this would definitely be good to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdepaola Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Amazon HD is on a 90 day trial period, so I signed up. Without doing anything my Control4 app shows the high-res logo next to the volume control, where it did not prior... So looks like it works. msgreenf and rea 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted September 18, 2019 Author Share Posted September 18, 2019 And how does it sound? Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdepaola Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Just listened to Led Zeppelin Kashmir in both formats, both on Amazon Music, and the difference was marked immediately... I will say it was less noticeable had I not been doing a comparison, but back to back it was obviously better as High-Res South Africa C4 user 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted September 18, 2019 Author Share Posted September 18, 2019 Just now, cdepaola said: Just listened to Led Zeppelin Kashmir in both formats, both on Amazon Music, and the difference was marked immediately... I will say it was less noticeable had I not been doing a comparison, but back to back it was obviously better as High-Res nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shupp872 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 4 hours ago, cdepaola said: Just listened to Led Zeppelin Kashmir in both formats, both on Amazon Music, and the difference was marked immediately... I will say it was less noticeable had I not been doing a comparison, but back to back it was obviously better as High-Res Thanks for confirming that this worked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rea Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 4 hours ago, cdepaola said: Just listened to Led Zeppelin Kashmir in both formats, both on Amazon Music, and the difference was marked immediately... I will say it was less noticeable had I not been doing a comparison, but back to back it was obviously better as High-Res Thanks for the heads-up on this! Also, I was giving this a try and for the first time looked at doing some programming with Amazon Music in Composer HE. When I click on Amazon Music in the Actions pane, there are no options for anything. Is there no programming you can do with Amazon Music? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prabeau Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Wish i had standard here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorterTX Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 First time post but long time observer. First, thanks msgreenf for posting as I this has been on my radar. I subscribe to Tidal Lossless and I am in the process of trying Qobuz. I am running the latest version of 2.10 (want to upgrade to 3.1 but still have an HC250 & a couple of IE touchscreens for now) and had Amazon Music (Prime) installed about a month ago along with Qobuz. This morning I logged out of Amazon Music through C4 and then logged back in and now at least recognizes the new subscription to Unlimited but there doesn't seem to be anything indicating "HD" track selection. I saw that cdepaola had success with seeing the High Res logos appearing but I am wondering if that is only for 3.0 and higher? That said, when using Qobuz through C4 I can see the Hi-Rez logos to differentiate the tracks but as of now that is missing for Amazon Music HD. Has anyone else experienced if using 2.10 or any suggestions? Additionally, I discovered that for the actual Amazon app itself (ios) I had to delete and reinstall after I updated my subscription in order to get it to display "HD" tracks. Before it similar to what I am seeing through C4 now in that it recognized Unlimited but there were no differentiating Hi-Rez logos. After reinstalling you can easily see "Ultra HD or HD" logos on their app. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted September 19, 2019 Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 Sounds like your driver isn't setup for auto updateSent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorterTX Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 minute ago, msgreenf said: Sounds like your driver isn't setup for auto update Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk Thanks msgreenf I will reach out to my dealer to check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorterTX Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 I wanted to share a quick update on my experience using Amazon HD music. After having my dealer update the Amazon driver as well as the other native music drivers (and setting it up to auto update for the future updates - thanks again @msgreenf) I am pretty happy with the results. The only drawback is that it still appears that if you are using OS 2.10 you cannot see any type of HD or UHD "Hi-Rez display or distinction" but my Marantz receiver confirms a 96khz incoming signal from the EA5. Qobuz on OS 2.10 does allow you to visually see to pick and choose the Hi-Rez track. That said, I can only see them using my EA5 or Control4 app. My older IE touchscreens will not show you which tracks are Hi-Rez. As far as sound quality, I was going back and forth from Amazon HD to Qobuz for some A/B comparisons using the same track and I now cannot tell a difference. Before subscribing to the upgraded Amazon HD platform I was actually using Amazon to show off the poor sound quality difference between their MP3 format and Qobuz HiRez. At that time it was really like a night and day difference or at least between the tracks I was comparing. In my opinion, for the sound quality, music selection and price I think Amazon HD is now a real player in the streaming market and could be tough to beat. msgreenf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant0830 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 What is the highest quality of bit steam that the HC800 Connected into AVM16A1-B would support? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorterTX Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 For the HC800 I believe it is 16 bit 44khz but others please correct me if I am wrong. I did have Control4 reach back out to me after an email and they confirmed that the EA series controller is receiving and processing Amazon's Hi-Rez files even though you cannot see the resolution. This is of course assuming you are using 2.10 as opposed to 3.X which would identify the resolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 The UI to show the track quality is a 3.0 feature. Hi-rez audio is an EA controller feature. Unfortunately, I don't know offhand the exact difference in the quality output of the HC series vs. the EA series, but that was one of the reasons for the EA series' development, High-resolution audio... Added: What PorterTX posts above sounds about right: 16-bit up to 44kHz for the HC800, 24-bit up to 192kHz for the EA. RyanE c44me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorterTX Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Thanks Ryan. I will add that Control4 was kind enough to take the request and pass it along to potentially add some type of additional track information to the Amazon driver. This could look exactly how Qobuz does today if using 2.10 in that you can at least see which tracks are offered in Hi-Rez (it is limited information but something for now). We will see if that comes to pass as clearly 3.X is the best route and the pathway to the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon2828 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Just FYI - the Amazon HD music page shows Control4 as a HD and Ultra HD Preferred Brand: https://www.amazon.com/b?node=14063680011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hank31980 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Does anyone know the difference in Audio Resolution between the following setup; HC800 with multiroom Audio via Network connected Speaker Points - my current setup. HC800 with multiroom Audio via Analogue Stereo Outputs inputted to Control4 C4-16ZAMSV3-B & Control4 Amplifier C4-AMP108 - what I am migrating to. I believe that once the Speaker Points are removed I can set the HC800 into a Higher Resolution Audio Output, but not even sure what the system limit is at the moment using the Network connected Speaker Points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted January 14, 2020 Author Share Posted January 14, 2020 Speaker points can't do Hi res audio and hi res audio is not as hi res on a HC800 vs an EA since the circuits are different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hank31980 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Hi there, thanks for the prompt reply. I don't know what the resolution of the existing Sound is, which is Digital Audio sent around my system over the Network to Speaker Points. I generally listen to things like Spotify via the Connect Driver or Airplay Music to my Control4 system on my HC800. I guess whatever I listen to, ultimately it is getting Digitized & sent over LAN to my little Speaker points, so I assume there is some inherent limitation doing it this way. What I am hoping is that there is an incremental change when I get the Matrix and Amplifier fitted & do away with the Speaker points, as I believe the HC800 can be set into a Higher Res Audio mode which I am hoping to benefit from, but maybe I am mistaken on this? If that doesn't cut the mustard then I may go down the route of EA3 or EA5. But Step by Step & I was just being a bit Nerdy to find out what steps the system would go from to & what it could go to beyond that I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted January 14, 2020 Author Share Posted January 14, 2020 once you remove the Speaker points you can go to the digital audio in the project and enable hi-res audio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hank31980 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 OK we will see what transpires when everything is Installed and up and running and the old Speaker Points removed. I see the EA5 specification has the High-resolution audio playback of Up to 192 kHz / 24 bit. Not sure what the spec sheet said for the HC800? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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