Kahn Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Totally confused on main stream and sub-stream (I think) Here's my setup:4 Hikvision/Alibi IP cams (8MP). Camera Settings (via web interface) I setup the cameras using their assigned IP via the camera webpage. When setting mainstream to all max settings and resolutions - Blue Iris app and program displays beautifully and the Hikvision Camera's webpage display is outstanding. I played with Sub-stream settings but I don't see anything in other (C4 or Blue Iris) settings to select which stream to use/view. In order for these cams to show up on T3's, I have to reduce resolution and FPS to the point the cams are operating at 1/3 of capability. How can I force the touchscreens to use the SUBSTREAM? Control4 Setup Added 4 Cams to project using Hikvision Driver (static) driver. Driver doc says add via SDDP - but the cams don't show up (not a biggie as I added via IP). Driver doc also says it's for PTZ but I assume the doc is same for both PTZ and Static drivers. Camera setup for the mainstream I set at 10-12fps, 1920X* and medium quality (which looks terrible in Blue Iris by the way). This is the only setting that will display on the touchscreens (T3's). It passes the camera test in the driver. Higher settings will not pass. How can I force the touchscreens to use the SUBSTREAM? Added Blue Iris Static driver (which is pretty old btw) and added ONE camera to driver via drop down and will pass MPEG but not h264 test. Changed resolutions and FPS repeatedly. Blue Iris camera will not display on touch screen at all. I don't know which way to go here. Documentation says it should populate some info about the cam via LUA, but none of the "action" buttons seem to do anything although it does show a list of cameras on the drop downs.Blue Iris All cams setup in Blue Iris and displaying fine on Blue Iris mobile app. Mainstream looks terrible (little exaggeration) with settings that will display on C4 touchscreens (T3's). Side note: Blue Iris is surprising powerful and more capable than an dedicated NVR in my opinion. I'm using a dedicated Lenovo Tiny M92p 2.9Ghz 16GB RAM and 500 GB HD with Win 10 Pro. I was able to pick that up for $165 and another $60 for Blue Iris program. Mobile app was $10 so I have $235 vested in what I consider to be a really nice NVR capable of quite a bit (outside of Control4 with the Hikvision driver or ideally with the Blue Iris driver) There's a paid third party driver Blue Iris driver - which adds overlay capability - probably should look into that.What I'd like to have is the Mainstream at max resolution for the Blue Iris app AND the Sub-stream to the Touchscreens and C4 mobile app. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWD Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Just use the Blue Iris app to view the feeds. Using the ameras with C4 is a terrible experience IMHO. I just use push notification with BI. If you want it to trigger C4 to do anything us the web driver and add a URL alert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kahn Posted October 31, 2019 Author Share Posted October 31, 2019 20 minutes ago, KWD said: Just use the Blue Iris app to view the feeds. Using the ameras with C4 is a terrible experience IMHO. I just use push notification with BI. If you want it to trigger C4 to do anything us the web driver and add a URL alert. That may be what I do if I cannot sort out the streams. I appreciate the advice for sure and I've definitely considered just that. Which web driver - Chowmain? Displaying the cameras on the T3's using the sub-stream and running the full capability of the cameras on the mainstream is my goal. Anyone have experience with this before I just go with KWD suggestion? Seems the T3's capabilities are the bottleneck in this situation.....as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWD Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Just the generic free web driver. I can display my substream (or maybe my main stream) in C4, it just takes way more steps and longer to get there than using the BI app. The playback also isn't nearly as good. Stutters and speeds up to catch up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWD Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Did you enable Webcast under the BI camera settings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kahn Posted October 31, 2019 Author Share Posted October 31, 2019 I'll recheck it all. Are you using the camera driver or the Blue Iris Driver in C4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWD Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 free C4 Blue Iris Driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcovach Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 On 10/31/2019 at 12:23 PM, Kahn said: Totally confused on main stream and sub-stream (I think) Here's my setup:4 Hikvision/Alibi IP cams (8MP). Camera Settings (via web interface) I setup the cameras using their assigned IP via the camera webpage. When setting mainstream to all max settings and resolutions - Blue Iris app and program displays beautifully and the Hikvision Camera's webpage display is outstanding. I played with Sub-stream settings but I don't see anything in other (C4 or Blue Iris) settings to select which stream to use/view. In order for these cams to show up on T3's, I have to reduce resolution and FPS to the point the cams are operating at 1/3 of capability. How can I force the touchscreens to use the SUBSTREAM? Control4 Setup Added 4 Cams to project using Hikvision Driver (static) driver. Driver doc says add via SDDP - but the cams don't show up (not a biggie as I added via IP). Driver doc also says it's for PTZ but I assume the doc is same for both PTZ and Static drivers. Camera setup for the mainstream I set at 10-12fps, 1920X* and medium quality (which looks terrible in Blue Iris by the way). This is the only setting that will display on the touchscreens (T3's). It passes the camera test in the driver. Higher settings will not pass. How can I force the touchscreens to use the SUBSTREAM? Added Blue Iris Static driver (which is pretty old btw) and added ONE camera to driver via drop down and will pass MPEG but not h264 test. Changed resolutions and FPS repeatedly. Blue Iris camera will not display on touch screen at all. I don't know which way to go here. Documentation says it should populate some info about the cam via LUA, but none of the "action" buttons seem to do anything although it does show a list of cameras on the drop downs.Blue Iris All cams setup in Blue Iris and displaying fine on Blue Iris mobile app. Mainstream looks terrible (little exaggeration) with settings that will display on C4 touchscreens (T3's). Side note: Blue Iris is surprising powerful and more capable than an dedicated NVR in my opinion. I'm using a dedicated Lenovo Tiny M92p 2.9Ghz 16GB RAM and 500 GB HD with Win 10 Pro. I was able to pick that up for $165 and another $60 for Blue Iris program. Mobile app was $10 so I have $235 vested in what I consider to be a really nice NVR capable of quite a bit (outside of Control4 with the Hikvision driver or ideally with the Blue Iris driver) There's a paid third party driver Blue Iris driver - which adds overlay capability - probably should look into that.What I'd like to have is the Mainstream at max resolution for the Blue Iris app AND the Sub-stream to the Touchscreens and C4 mobile app. I already posted elsewhere but blackwire has a new blue iris lite driver. I can set you up if interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This_is_the_fun_stuff Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 It’s been a while since I’ve dug into this but I think you can set up a second camera for each camera in BI with just the sub stream and then reference that secondary camera in Control4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackstone Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 The Lite driver: https://www.blackwiredesigns.com/store/blue-iris-vms-camera-driver-lite-navigator-display-problem-solver/ And stop struggling with camera streams, it just works with any camera resolution. And for a full-featured experience, get the full driver: https://www.blackwiredesigns.com/store/blue-iris-vms-camera-driver-motion-touch-trigger-geofence-osd/ It gives you OSD control, motion trigger, touch trigger, Geofence and much much more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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