rf9000 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Guys, My two service doors into my garage are going to 8ft doors. In my neck of the woods, 8ft doors usually are installed with three point locks. Am I SOL with using a locking mechanism that is C4 compatible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lippavisual Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 News to me. Not particularly a requirement. if you’re ordering them, just make sure you get 2 hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rf9000 Posted January 14, 2020 Author Share Posted January 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, lippavisual said: News to me. Not particularly a requirement. if you’re ordering them, just make sure you get 2 hole. Its not a requirement but really helps the taller doors seal up very nice and keeps them from warping, etc. We have 30 below winters, 100 degree summers and everything in between Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rf9000 Posted January 14, 2020 Author Share Posted January 14, 2020 Just now, rf9000 said: Its not a requirement but really helps the taller doors seal up very nice and keeps them from warping, etc. We have 30 below winters, 100 degree summers and everything in between 5 minutes ago, lippavisual said: News to me. Not particularly a requirement. if you’re ordering them, just make sure you get 2 hole. Just didn't know if anyone has ever done a three point lock before and if anyone made anything for it to integrate with C4. It would surprise me if someone has not. It virtually would be the same turning deadbolt locking mechanism that operates the deadbolt, just is basically connected to a top and bottom deadbolt too. But the turning mechanism is really the same. When ordering exterior doors here from Therma-Tru, Pella, etc. they all have three point locking as an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Lowe Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 i know some of the brands make some zigbee locks for this style. as far as a c4 solution i do not think you have any options. unless you can add a dead bolt and just not lock the 3 point system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rf9000 Posted January 14, 2020 Author Share Posted January 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, Matt Lowe said: i know some of the brands make some zigbee locks for this style. as far as a c4 solution i do not think you have any options. unless you can add a dead bolt and just not lock the 3 point system. On one of those zigbee locks, can I get those to work within C4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhyPhy Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I have researched this thoroughly for my house as it was being build the front door was 7'-6" tall and needed a 3-point lock to prevent warping, and we wanted better sealing. I did not find any wireless/battery/Zigbee solutions The only 3-point automated lock is the Hoppe Multronic motorized lock. It is a wired motorized lock with a special power-transfer hinge. The lock can be controlled by the relay of C4 controller or I/O extender. Here's a discussion on automated 3-point locks: https://www.houzz.com/discussions/3869834/electronic-keyless-locks-for-a-multipoint-locking-jeld-wen-door These locks are complicated and expensive. If cost isn't a huge concern, use them. Otherwise, since these are service doors to your garage and not in your main living space, my recommendation would be to use conventional hardware instead. Use a standard latch in the middle and add a high-mount and low-mount battery-powered deadbolt to have 3 points of retention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rf9000 Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 31 minutes ago, WhyPhy said: I have researched this thoroughly for my house as it was being build the front door was 7'-6" tall and needed a 3-point lock to prevent warping, and we wanted better sealing. I did not find any wireless/battery/Zigbee solutions The only 3-point automated lock is the Hoppe Multronic motorized lock. It is a wired motorized lock with a special power-transfer hinge. The lock can be controlled by the relay of C4 controller or I/O extender. Here's a discussion on automated 3-point locks: https://www.houzz.com/discussions/3869834/electronic-keyless-locks-for-a-multipoint-locking-jeld-wen-door These locks are complicated and expensive. If cost isn't a huge concern, use them. Otherwise, since these are service doors to your garage and not in your main living space, my recommendation would be to use conventional hardware instead. Use a standard latch in the middle and add a high-mount and low-mount battery-powered deadbolt to have 3 points of retention. Yeah, I get it. I just have three 8ft entry doors and a 9' front door. Was hoping to remote unlock one of them, but they are all three point locks. I guess that is a feature I will have to forgo. Makes me wonder though, if I have all liftmaster garage openers, can I integrate them so that I can open one of them remotely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhyPhy Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 5 hours ago, rf9000 said: If I have all liftmaster garage openers, can I integrate them so that I can open one of them remotely? Yes, Liftmaster MyQ is definitely easier; that's what I do for my garage access. And there's a MyQ driver for C4. For extra flexibility, if you have Apple devices, get the MyQ HomeKit version. It doesn't require a monthly fee and it works with the Apple Home app, so you don't even have to use the MyQ mobile app. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075RQVSY7/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawnGordon Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 3-point locks have been an issue for a long time. Down here in Florida, many of the new doors have 3-point locking systems designed to withstand hurricanes. Unfortunately, I have yet to find an automated solution for my clients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhyPhy Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 FYI, Lusson Design is a Toronto-based company working on an automated 3-point lock. Below is what they posted in the Houzz.com discussion. If you're interested, I suggest reaching to them to help demonstrate the demand. Andrew Lusso Design 105 Winges Rd - Unit A, Woodbridge, ON L4L 6C2, Canada (By appointment only so, please give us a call before stopping by) (416) 834-9905 andrew@lussodesign.ca http://lussodesign.ca/contact/ Quote Lusso Design (Entry Doors & Door Inserts) Hello! Just wanted to chime it - we are a door company in Toronto, Canada and are in the process of developing an smartlock intergrated multipoint locking system by marrying components from several lock manufacturers that we are already using. Can;t reveal much detail yet, but we should have the working sample system set up on one of our doors in the showroom in January and once we torture test it for durability for a few months, it will be released on the market around March next year. Unfortunately there's little support from the big brands for the little guys, like us but thanks to local CNC fabrication shops and a few bright ideas we should have this issue solved - my clients had been asking for this for 3-4 years now - just got tired of waiting for the big guns:))) Will post here again once we have all the kinks ironed out. And the cost will be less than several thousand $$$ (Don't You find it ridiculous when tech, that is common and somewhat inexpensive in Europe arrives in North America at 5 times the price, that it costs in it in Europe? SMH) Anyways have a wonderful day everyone! Hope to have some good news soon enough! Andrew - Lusso Design PS We don't post too often here but are quite active on our Instagram account @lussodesigncanada . Fresh news is most likely to pop up there if you are interested in following our process. December 4, 2019 Lusso Design (Entry Doors & Door Inserts) Wanted to post a quick update here. I didn't expect that there would be so much interest in my post, so huge thanks to anyone, who reached out!!! We got most of the parts for a working sample and had it working today. I will need to tweak a few things and custom make a few extra parts to make sure that everything is mounted solid, but so far everything looks really promising. As I mentioned before Ill be posting more updates on our Instagram but will pop by here every so often as well. Have a great day!!! Andrew Lusso Design Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slash007 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 I would love to have a C4 controlled lock for my front door with the 3 point locking system. I wouldn't care so much, but once it gets open, I usually find it still unlocked at the end of the day. I want something to auto lock it mostly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhyPhy Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Here's another alternative: https://www.electroniclock.com/utopic-r Quote Key Feature: Optional Home Automation Interface This interface lets home automation systems to control Utopic without any wire Compatible with all home automation controllers with relay output Downside from Customer Review: "Even you don't use the lock, the battery is completely out on 3 weeks time..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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