Time2Jet Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Can't see a reason to spend money on a SW for a in-sink disposal, unless I just add an old Gen2 just to match. A KA cannot handle a load, so what are you guys doing to match the look of the C4 lighting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcovach Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 A c4 mechanical switch. it's not smart but it has the same look Matt Lowe, CTMatthew and RyanE 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggzlot Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Personally wouldn’t want to automate a disposal. Seems dangerous. Wrong press on a c4 icon and oh boy. We installed the ones that are activated by the plunger thing you stick in and turn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Lowe Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 On 1/25/2020 at 7:41 PM, eggzlot said: Personally wouldn’t want to automate a disposal. Seems dangerous. Wrong press on a c4 icon and oh boy. We installed the ones that are activated by the plunger thing you stick in and turn I would suggest having it hidden from the c4 navigators. On 1/25/2020 at 5:05 PM, time2jet said: Can't see a reason to spend money on a SW for a in-sink disposal, unless I just add an old Gen2 just to match. A KA cannot handle a load, so what are you guys doing to match the look of the C4 lighting. Its not a terrible idea to have it integrated. Can use the switch for extra automation in the kitchen. Can disconnect the bindings and use a triple or double tap to turn it off and have it turn off automatically after 10 seconds or so. This way kids can't accidentally turn it on or leave it running for long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 I would not connect an automated switch to the garbage disposal. There is no need to turn it on remotely, there's no need to track whether it's on or off, since it should only be on when someone is literally in front of it. Control4 matching mechanical switch if you care that it physically matches an adjacent Control4 device (or the rest of the home), otherwise, standard switch. RyanE Darkimedes, Time2Jet, eggzlot and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggzlot Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 agree with Ryan. For safety's sake no need to automate it. What if your system has a bug or something and somehow that switch gets turned on? I know I've had some bugs/corruption in my project and things have gone on/off without my control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Also, 'detach load' stops working if the Control4 system goes away (so you maintain local control in that case), so the switch then will control the device, which is bad if you weren't expecting it... RyanE Darkimedes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Lowe Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 10 hours ago, RyanE said: Also, 'detach load' stops working if the Control4 system goes away (so you maintain local control in that case), so the switch then will control the device, which is bad if you weren't expecting it... RyanE Has something changed? I dont often have this issue but occasionally a system reboot or power outage the controller may be off for a few miniutes. I lose control of my keypads that are setup to control4 lighting scenes. even though they have a load attached i cannot power the load from that device unless i reset it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Lowe Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Also need to check the horsepower on the motor. I believe all of the c4 switches are only good to 1/2 horsepower motors. RyanE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 32 minutes ago, Matt Lowe said: Has something changed? I dont often have this issue but occasionally a system reboot or power outage the controller may be off for a few miniutes. I lose control of my keypads that are setup to control4 lighting scenes. even though they have a load attached i cannot power the load from that device unless i reset it. I could certainly be mistaken, but my understanding is that if the Control4 system was unavailable, the keypad would control the load. It's possible that it's only for Keypad Dimmers, or something like that. RyanE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Lowe Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Just now, RyanE said: I could certainly be mistaken, but my understanding is that if the Control4 system was unavailable, the keypad would control the load. It's possible that it's only for Keypad Dimmers, or something like that. RyanE can confirm as of about 3 weeks ago on 3.1. I had my system powered down for new lines i was running. I lost all control of lighting scenes and could not control individual loads on APD or KDs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 23 minutes ago, Matt Lowe said: can confirm as of about 3 weeks ago on 3.1. I had my system powered down for new lines i was running. I lost all control of lighting scenes and could not control individual loads on APD or KDs I'm not surprised you'd lose control of lighting scenes, since of course ZServer and Director are involved in doing those. Sounds like it doesn't revert back to local load control. I must've been mistaken, and/or it doesn't do that on Gen3 devices. RyanE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Lowe Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 13 hours ago, RyanE said: I'm not surprised you'd lose control of lighting scenes, since of course ZServer and Director are involved in doing those. Sounds like it doesn't revert back to local load control. I must've been mistaken, and/or it doesn't do that on Gen3 devices. RyanE Yep, i knew the reasoning behind the scenes, but yea even local load control did not work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 That's NOT the same as detaching buttons on a switch though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brantlmcdonald Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Also need to check the horsepower on the motor. I believe all of the c4 switches are only good to 1/2 horsepower motors.For smart switches that’s right. Mechanical C4 switches don’t list a HP rating (most brands do), only that it’s rated for 15A. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel-J Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 I won't switch to automatic shutdown, it's too dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dueport Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 The garbage disposal is the only switch in our house that isn’t automated. My wife wouldn’t go for it - proving once again to be the voice of reason when I get carried away with tech. Anyway I installed a specific garbage disposal switch which looks identical to our decora smart dimmers/switches but is a mechanical switch with an internal spring so requires you to hold the switch to run the disposal when you let go it turns off. Works well and looks nice. Not sure if C4 offers this but wanted to mention these sort of switches as another option. RyanE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pounce Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 I believe the only safe switch for a garbage disposal in the sink is an air switch. These have a few advantages. 1) the button is small and can be installed on the counter in a through hole next to the faucet within reach of even the most span challenged people 2) they are completely safe with wet hands 3) they typically have a timed auto off setting so if you turn it on it will go off after say 20 seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lippavisual Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Pounce said: I believe the only safe switch for a garbage disposal in the sink is an air switch. These have a few advantages. 1) the button is small and can be installed on the counter in a through hole next to the faucet within reach of even the most span challenged people 2) they are completely safe with wet hands 3) they typically have a timed auto off setting so if you turn it on it will go off after say 20 seconds. Bingo. Love the air switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brantlmcdonald Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 I believe the only safe switch for a garbage disposal in the sink is an air switch. These have a few advantages. 1) the button is small and can be installed on the counter in a through hole next to the faucet within reach of even the most span challenged people 2) they are completely safe with wet hands 3) they typically have a timed auto off setting so if you turn it on it will go off after say 20 seconds. The momentary contact switch that was discussed in the post above yours is designed for garbage disposals. In fact usually the box or marketing material for them will say “disposal switch.”Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pounce Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, brantlmcdonald said: The momentary contact switch that was discussed in the post above yours is designed for garbage disposals. In fact usually the box or marketing material for them will say “disposal switch.” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Perhaps, but these are not as safe as an air switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brantlmcdonald Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Perhaps, but these are not as safe as an air switch.Why would you think that ? Momentary contact switch is also non metallic, and shuts off immediately when you let go. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, brantlmcdonald said: Why would you think that ? I assume they mean 'electrically safe', which is not the same as "garbage disposal only stays on when you're pressing it" kind of safe. The only safe I care about is that if I'm going to stick my hand down there, I'll pull the actual plug on the disposal out of the switched socket. Mine (although I don't recommend this) is wired with a Gen1 Control4 switch, but with the Zigbee board removed (and was never identified in the project, etc.)... I think if I were to replace it, I definitely like the idea of the momentary switch, so you have to hold it to activate the disposal. I hadn't heard of those before. RyanE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggzlot Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Or just get a disposal that is batch fed. I have no switches to worry about with location, ascetics, making holes in the counter top nor any concern about my hand being down there and the unit going off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brantlmcdonald Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 I assume they mean 'electrically safe', which is not the same as "garbage disposal only stays on when you're pressing it" kind of safe. The only safe I care about is that if I'm going to stick my hand down there, I'll pull the actual plug on the disposal out of the switched socket. Mine (although I don't recommend this) is wired with a Gen1 Control4 switch, but with the Zigbee board removed (and was never identified in the project, etc.)... I think if I were to replace it, I definitely like the idea of the momentary switch, so you have to hold it to activate the disposal. I hadn't heard of those before. RyanEhttps://www.legrand.us/radiant/products/switches/tm870stmwcc6.aspxSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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