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Can Nucleus support USB DAC like DAP model DX220 from iBasso?

Head over to the Roonlabs forum. I know there have been issues with the Android ecosystem, so I don’t specifically know where this has landed or if the DX220 can fully integrate. What I think you’ll find is that they don’t play well together yet, but I know for certain there are plenty of Roon users integrating android based DAPs with limited capability workarounds. It’s too bad, because the DX220 is a really awesome piece. If you’ve already invested in the DX, it’d be a lot to spend on the addition of a Nucleus and it not perform like each is designed.


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Do you need to have a Nucleus if you already have a NAS with all of your content stored on it, which is directly hooked into the Control4 amp?  If not, what is required.  I am really only looking for an alternative interface for metadata purposes.

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11 hours ago, jayfix said:

Do you need to have a Nucleus if you already have a NAS with all of your content stored on it, which is directly hooked into the Control4 amp?  If not, what is required.  I am really only looking for an alternative interface for metadata purposes.

You’ll need a Nucleus of you wish to fully integrate Roon into Control4. (ie Use directly from C4 interfaces).  You can certainly run Roon independent of Control4.  If you haven’t trialed it yet, here is my link.  I’d you use this link, you can get a forum member discount on a Nuceus. Ask any questions you’d like. Sorry, since   Tapatalk is down, so the fastest way to get me is rfaris@thestereoshopinc.com. 
 

https://roonlabs.com/r/RQeEz3CN30ulNwifCuTtNg

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@time2jetJust catching up on this topic.  Currently have the Tidal family system with integrated with Control4.  For 3 of the guest rooms and bathrooms there are keypads tied to playlists created on Tidal and thru the C4 Audio Matrix.  It is a bit of a pain to manage.  If I was to get a Nucleus+ and integrate with Control4 can multiple zones be configured such that the playlists are designated to specific rooms/zones?  Here is an example

  • Guest Bedroom/Bathroom 1 - 3 Button Keypads with 3 distinct playlists
  • Guest Bedroom/Bathroom 2 - 3 Button Keypad with 3 distinct playlists different from #1
  • Guest Bedroom/Bathroom 3 - 3 Button Keypad with 3 distinct playlists different from #1 & #2
  • Master Bathroom - 3 Button Keypad with distinct playlists different from #1, 2, and 3

The zones would need to be where they play only in the zone selected via the keypads.  The other zones in the house (18 in total) would be controlled elsewhere via C4 iOS app or NEEO remotes.  Lastly, the ability to select and play multiple zones on the same stream in common areas when needed (i.e. patio, bbq, pool, kitchen, dining room).  

I'm just discovering Roon but would like to see if this is possible.  I orgiinally looked at Autonomic but feel this may be a better option.  

 

Thanks for any input or advice

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2 minutes ago, gregheard said:

@time2jetJust catching up on this topic.  Currently have the Tidal family system with integrated with Control4.  For 3 of the guest rooms and bathrooms there are keypads tied to playlists created on Tidal and thru the C4 Audio Matrix.  It is a bit of a pain to manage.  If I was to get a Nucleus+ and integrate with Control4 can multiple zones be configured such that the playlists are designated to specific rooms/zones?  Here is an example

  • Guest Bedroom/Bathroom 1 - 3 Button Keypads with 3 distinct playlists
  • Guest Bedroom/Bathroom 2 - 3 Button Keypad with 3 distinct playlists different from #1
  • Guest Bedroom/Bathroom 3 - 3 Button Keypad with 3 distinct playlists different from #1 & #2
  • Master Bathroom - 3 Button Keypad with distinct playlists different from #1, 2, and 3

The zones would need to be where they play only in the zone selected via the keypads.  The other zones in the house (18 in total) would be controlled elsewhere via C4 iOS app or NEEO remotes.  Lastly, the ability to select and play multiple zones on the same stream in common areas when needed (i.e. patio, bbq, pool, kitchen, dining room).  

I'm just discovering Roon but would like to see if this is possible.  I orgiinally looked at Autonomic but feel this may be a better option.  

 

Thanks for any input or advice

As far as I have been able to tell, the Roon driver does not support programmatically calling playlists from Roon.  You would have to call playlists from a touch screen, C4 app, or the Roon app itself.  

As an unrelated aside, after upgrading all our touch screens to T4s from T3s, scrolling through long lists of artists/albums/tracks in the Roon driver no longer crashes the touch screen; therefore, the touch screen interface is now much more reliable.  I realize that doesn't help you if you really want keypad functionality though.

 

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9 hours ago, DLite said:

As far as I have been able to tell, the Roon driver does not support programmatically calling playlists from Roon.  You would have to call playlists from a touch screen, C4 app, or the Roon app itself.  

As an unrelated aside, after upgrading all our touch screens to T4s from T3s, scrolling through long lists of artists/albums/tracks in the Roon driver no longer crashes the touch screen; therefore, the touch screen interface is now much more reliable.  I realize that doesn't help you if you really want keypad functionality though.

 

Thanks for that information.  I may forego this since I replaced all but one of my touchscreens with Josh.ai.  I never used the T3's in the house other than to arm and disarm the house at the garage entry and use the Micro's 2-3 dozen times a day.  Liked the Roon metadata and presentation of catalogs but may just forgo it if it doesn't have that functionality.  The guest rooms have the keypads with quick buttons to the playlists to enjoy when getting ready for the day or just relaxing in the room so was trying to see if this was a better option than what I have done with Tidal/Control4 integration along with the C4 audio matrix.  Thanks again.

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8 hours ago, gregheard said:

Thanks for that information.  I may forego this since I replaced all but one of my touchscreens with Josh.ai.  I never used the T3's in the house other than to arm and disarm the house at the garage entry and use the Micro's 2-3 dozen times a day.  Liked the Roon metadata and presentation of catalogs but may just forgo it if it doesn't have that functionality.  The guest rooms have the keypads with quick buttons to the playlists to enjoy when getting ready for the day or just relaxing in the room so was trying to see if this was a better option than what I have done with Tidal/Control4 integration along with the C4 audio matrix.  Thanks again.

That makes sense. Our household is all-Sonos and heavy on touch screens, so we are in one of Roon's sweet spots.  

The only other thing you might want to check before throwing in the towel is the Roon app itself. If you have a free Saturday afternoon, I think you can download a free 30-day trial, or maybe pay $10 for one month of access.  I end up using the iOS and desktop Roon app more than anything else, because I find it so powerful and fun to use.  

 

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19 hours ago, DLite said:

That makes sense. Our household is all-Sonos and heavy on touch screens, so we are in one of Roon's sweet spots.  

The only other thing you might want to check before throwing in the towel is the Roon app itself. If you have a free Saturday afternoon, I think you can download a free 30-day trial, or maybe pay $10 for one month of access.  I end up using the iOS and desktop Roon app more than anything else, because I find it so powerful and fun to use.  

 

Thanks for that. information @DLite.  Did you get a Nucleus or Nucleus+?  The other alternative is using Roon with my home office setup.  Just picked up some Focal Headphones and Matrix-Audio DAC/Amp that's Roon Ready.  Trying to see if makes sense to do that only since I have been WFH for 4 years and spend 50-60 hrs a week with music listening that way.  And if so is Roon such that it really needs a Nucleus to not eat up a ton of computing resources from my MacBook.  Any advice is appreciated!

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1 hour ago, gregheard said:

Thanks for that. information @DLite.  Did you get a Nucleus or Nucleus+?  The other alternative is using Roon with my home office setup.  Just picked up some Focal Headphones and Matrix-Audio DAC/Amp that's Roon Ready.  Trying to see if makes sense to do that only since I have been WFH for 4 years and spend 50-60 hrs a week with music listening that way.  And if so is Roon such that it really needs a Nucleus to not eat up a ton of computing resources from my MacBook.  Any advice is appreciated!

We have a Nucleus+, because we are powering 12 zones for Roon and wanted C4 integration.  If you aren't doing multi-room streaming to many different zones, you don't need the Nucleus+. And, if you aren't doing C4 integration, you don't even really need a Nucleus.  In that case, you're much better off running Roon on an existing computer or on a dedicated (but vastly cheaper) box that runs Roon.  The Roon forum features a bunch of people who've put together their own inexpensive boxes to run Roon -- if you want to go that route, I would ask for some ideas there.  However, I would probably first just try it on your MacBook and see how it goes.

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On 9/1/2021 at 3:23 PM, DLite said:

We have a Nucleus+, because we are powering 12 zones for Roon and wanted C4 integration.  If you aren't doing multi-room streaming to many different zones, you don't need the Nucleus+. And, if you aren't doing C4 integration, you don't even really need a Nucleus.  In that case, you're much better off running Roon on an existing computer or on a dedicated (but vastly cheaper) box that runs Roon.  The Roon forum features a bunch of people who've put together their own inexpensive boxes to run Roon -- if you want to go that route, I would ask for some ideas there.  However, I would probably first just try it on your MacBook and see how it goes.

Is there no way to integrate C4 with a Roon server off a QNAP NAS (assuming the NAS has specs equal to or greater than the Nucleus)?

Also, if you have 12 zones of Sonos, but wouldn't ever be playing music simultaneously in more than 6, can you use the Nucleus or will it not let you add all 12 audio zones?  

I have a Roon server off my NAS and am planning to integrate with C4, but I guess I may be buying a Nucleus (or plus)...

Thanks!!

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23 hours ago, Topspin14m said:

Is there no way to integrate C4 with a Roon server off a QNAP NAS (assuming the NAS has specs equal to or greater than the Nucleus)?

Also, if you have 12 zones of Sonos, but wouldn't ever be playing music simultaneously in more than 6, can you use the Nucleus or will it not let you add all 12 audio zones?  

I have a Roon server off my NAS and am planning to integrate with C4, but I guess I may be buying a Nucleus (or plus)...

Thanks!!

As far as I know, the Roon C4 driver requires a Nucleus and will not work with any other Roon server configuration. 
 

I dimly recall my dealer saying that the Nucleus could handle 3 simultaneous streams with DSP going, but more than that requires the Plus.  I am not super confident about my recollection though.  @time2jet may be able to give you a better answer to that question.

 

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30 minutes ago, DLite said:

As far as I know, the Roon C4 driver requires a Nucleus and will not work with any other Roon server configuration. 
 

I dimly recall my dealer saying that the Nucleus could handle 3 simultaneous streams with DSP going, but more than that requires the Plus.  I am not super confident about my recollection though.  @time2jet may be able to give you a better answer to that question.

 

Thanks!  It’s rated for 6 streams, I believe.  But what I’m really wondering is if you can connect 10+ zones to a Nucleus (even if you cant group more than 6 at once).  It’s all kind of academic now though because I just bit the bullet and bought a Nucleus Plus…I really want the Sonos integration cleaned up for C4,

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19 hours ago, Topspin14m said:

Thanks!  It’s rated for 6 streams, I believe.  But what I’m really wondering is if you can connect 10+ zones to a Nucleus (even if you cant group more than 6 at once).  It’s all kind of academic now though because I just bit the bullet and bought a Nucleus Plus…I really want the Sonos integration cleaned up for C4,

I see.  I don't know the answer to that question. What you say makes sense -- only the simultaneously playing streams may matter -- but I don't know enough about what is going on under the hood to do more than guess. In any event, I hope you enjoy the Plus as much as we have!!  It is very nice to have Sonos integrated into C4.

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