JamesPB 0 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Hello I'd be really grateful for any clarity you can provide on these questions. I am an IT professional so bits of code and tech don't phase me How useful is Composer HE now we have When >> Then? What features does each have that the other doesn't? What could I do/not do with each? Is it worth having both or else which one? James Quote Link to post Share on other sites
0 Gary Leeds UK 507 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Go for HE ~ it allows you programme your system ~ only thing you can not do is add new products also get the rename driver which allows you to change the name of your devices both are very useful JamesPB and South Africa C4 user 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
0 eggzlot 696 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 You also get a year of 4sight with HE so really it’s $50. If you use it 1-2x you have paid for it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
0 South Africa C4 user 756 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 4 hours ago, Gary Leeds UK said: Go for HE ~ it allows you programme your system ~ only thing you can not do is add new products also get the rename driver which allows you to change the name of your devices both are very useful This. HE is streets more useful than When / Then Gary Leeds UK 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
0 Cyknight 2,720 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 WHEN -> THEN is really only for people wanting to do some very basic things - like scheduling a light, or have something happen when a door open - that wouldn't be comfortable with the more 'complex' interface of HE. Note that even HE is not 'code programming' as such at all, it's still a graphical interface to achieve the underlying code, though it uses terms that will be familiar to a true coder. JamesPB 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
0 Cyknight 2,720 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Oh and 'complex' is written like that for a reason, it's not really all that complex, but still something that a lot of people can't (or don't want to) wrap their heads around. HE allows for far more detail in what you can achieve, details on IF statements etc, opens more events (triggers) to program off of. I'd also say that if you want to do something more complex (ig turn on these lights when a door opens, but only if those other lights aren't on, but only after sunset, unless it's summer) it would be far easier in HE than in WHEN-THEN due to how it's structured, so if you want a bit 'more' it will actually be easier to use HE. JamesPB 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
0 South Africa C4 user 756 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 9 hours ago, Cyknight said: Oh and 'complex' is written like that for a reason, it's not really all that complex, but still something that a lot of people can't (or don't want to) wrap their heads around. On this basis, Pro is even more “complex” than HE. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
0 JamesPB 0 Posted January 11 Author Share Posted January 11 Thanks very much for the guidance above. My 4Sight trial expired. If I subscribe on at https://customer.control4.com/4sight will I then find a download for Composer HE somewhere in my account pages or does my dealer need to be part of the process in some way? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
0 msgreenf 2,376 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 4sight doesn't give you composer he. But composer he comes with 1 year of 4sight. Composer HE = one time fee 4sight = annual fee JamesPB 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
0 CaddyShack 1 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 On 11/28/2020 at 5:03 AM, Gary Leeds UK said: Go for HE ~ it allows you programme your system ~ only thing you can not do is add new products also get the rename driver which allows you to change the name of your devices both are very useful Where do I get the rename driver? And how do I install a new driver from Composer HE? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
0 eggzlot 696 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 10 minutes ago, CaddyShack said: Where do I get the rename driver? And how do I install a new driver from Composer HE? https://www.blackwiredesigns.com/store/c4-device-renamer/ was written by @msgreenf you need a dealer to buy it and install it - an end user cannot install drivers with Composer HE once installed you can do the programming (in this case change names of devices) with the driver PorterTX, CaddyShack and msgreenf 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
0 CaddyShack 1 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 On 1/11/2021 at 12:49 PM, eggzlot said: https://www.blackwiredesigns.com/store/c4-device-renamer/ was written by @msgreenf you need a dealer to buy it and install it - an end user cannot install drivers with Composer HE once installed you can do the programming (in this case change names of devices) with the driver Thanks. @msgreenf helped me out, great guy. Thanks for the pointer. msgreenf 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
0 booch 9 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 One other comment on When-->Then: it's prohibitively slow for certain things (I assume due to the cloud roundtrip). For example, assigning a button to a light in Composer HE might react in 250ms, while the same programming in When-->Then has a 1s lag. It's noticeable... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
0 South Africa C4 user 756 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 10 hours ago, booch said: One other comment on When-->Then: it's prohibitively slow for certain things (I assume due to the cloud roundtrip). For example, assigning a button to a light in Composer HE might react in 250ms, while the same programming in When-->Then has a 1s lag. It's noticeable... I have never used when then, but I thought it simply dumped things in to Composer as programming. I suspect that the delay is a result of When Then using the on single click event rather than the on press event for connecting to a light... but I am guessing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
0 Cyknight 2,720 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 55 minutes ago, South Africa C4 user said: I have never used when then, but I thought it simply dumped thing in to Composer as programming. I suspect that the delay is a result of When Then using the on single click event rather than the on press event for connecting to a light... but I am guessing. No it's in the cloud Quote Link to post Share on other sites
0 South Africa C4 user 756 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, Cyknight said: No it's in the cloud Thanks... interesting! Another reason to stick to HE then! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
0 Cyknight 2,720 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 The when-->then is really primarily good for things like scheduled lighting and that sort of thing. It isn't bad, and a nice way for people to dip their toes in, but nothing compared to what you can do with HE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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I'd be really grateful for any clarity you can provide on these questions. I am an IT professional so bits of code and tech don't phase me
How useful is Composer HE now we have When >> Then?
What features does each have that the other doesn't? What could I do/not do with each?
Is it worth having both or else which one?
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