alvin Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Hi All, May i know how many devices are supported by CA-1, EA-1,EA3 .. is this controlled by app license? Also, what is the defination of devices? Is connecting the 8-CHANNEL RELAY C4-DIN-8REL-E1 to CA-1 considered as 1 device or 8? thanks alvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 There is no license cap to # of devices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alvin Posted April 5, 2021 Author Share Posted April 5, 2021 Hi msgreenf, i was looking through the datasheet of EA1/3/5 and it states support up to 50 devices. seems to be limited by app license. As for CA-1 ,there is no info on the datasheet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 There is no license limit. It's about performance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lippavisual Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Device limits may be speaking of zigbee devices. I believe the limit is still 75 per zigbee mesh for better performance. msgreenf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraydonH Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Also I hope your really not trying to pair panelized lighting with the CA-1. Thats more of an EA3/5 sort of thing most the time. msgreenf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Africa C4 user Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 My EA5 became quite sluggish with around 600-700 devices / drivers. I upgraded to a CA10 which C4 claims can manage 1,000’s but I have only just surpassed the 1,000 mark recently so cannot comment beyond that. Dueport and C4 User 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 6 hours ago, lippavisual said: Device limits may be speaking of zigbee devices. I believe the limit is still 75 per zigbee mesh for better performance. 70 I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMHarman Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 3 hours ago, South Africa C4 user said: My EA5 became quite sluggish with around 600-700 devices / drivers. I upgraded to a CA10 which C4 claims can manage 1,000’s but I have only just surpassed the 1,000 mark recently so cannot comment beyond that. Is yours the biggest C4 install? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dueport Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 3 hours ago, South Africa C4 user said: My EA5 became quite sluggish with around 600-700 devices / drivers. I upgraded to a CA10 which C4 claims can manage 1,000’s but I have only just surpassed the 1,000 mark recently so cannot comment beyond that. Is there a way to show a device/driver tally in HE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alvin Posted April 6, 2021 Author Share Posted April 6, 2021 Hi Braydon, Care to explain why panelized control doesnt work with CA-1 ? i do not need any AV controls. i thought the CA-1 works with all C4's exisiting hardware's with lower performance. Thanks alvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alvin Posted April 6, 2021 Author Share Posted April 6, 2021 8 hours ago, BraydonH said: Also I hope your really not trying to pair panelized lighting with the CA-1. Thats more of an EA3/5 sort of thing most the time. Hi Braydon, Care to explain why panelized control doesnt work with CA-1 ? i do not need any AV controls. i thought the CA-1 works with all C4's exisiting hardware's with lower performance. Thanks alvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alvin Posted April 6, 2021 Author Share Posted April 6, 2021 6 hours ago, South Africa C4 user said: My EA5 became quite sluggish with around 600-700 devices / drivers. I upgraded to a CA10 which C4 claims can manage 1,000’s but I have only just surpassed the 1,000 mark recently so cannot comment beyond that. How do you count 600-700 devices? Does connecting either a 8 channel dimming module, keypad, sensor, touch display, zigbee or zwave device be considered as 1 device? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggzlot Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 11 hours ago, alvin said: How do you count 600-700 devices? Does connecting either a 8 channel dimming module, keypad, sensor, touch display, zigbee or zwave device be considered as 1 device? Best to ask your dealer for design help would be easier to look at a quote and dissect it vs just tossing out random hardware bits and numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 20 hours ago, alvin said: Hi Braydon, Care to explain why panelized control doesnt work with CA-1 ? i do not need any AV controls. i thought the CA-1 works with all C4's exisiting hardware's with lower performance. Thanks alvin It does and will - potential issue is simply that if you have a large house running a lot of modules, you may start seeing performance issues. Can't comment on where that limit would be by the way, it may well be fine, just haven't done a panel system with anything less than an EA5 or maybe an HC800. To clarify - I DON'T think more than a single 2-unit panel should be attempted with a CA-1. Think a garage overhead suite or pool house sort of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 16 hours ago, SMHarman said: Is yours the biggest C4 install? Nah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraydonH Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 Yeah I mean by all means go ahead and get one of the most high end, premium lighting systems on the market and pair it with the cheapest controller available. You do you. I will say in the panelized lighting training I am sure I read something along the lines of "If the customer has the budget for panelized lighting, then they have the budget for an EA-5" In training they basically say that as soon as you mention panelized lighting you should be looking at an EA5. Like I say EA3 will do. I wouldn't personally get an EA1 or CA1 and in the scope of a project like this spending the extra $1000 on a nice controller totally makes sense. Still sticking with the EA3 reccomendation. But like I say, you do you. msgreenf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Africa C4 user Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 20 hours ago, SMHarman said: Is yours the biggest C4 install? I doubt it... but it (they - my holiday home is almost identical to my main residence) is (are) a decent size. My dealer suspects they are the biggest setups in South Africa (but South Africa is a small part of the world!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Africa C4 user Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 19 hours ago, Dueport said: Is there a way to show a device/driver tally in HE? Not that I am aware of! I have manually counted 2 or 3 times (out of interest). The first time was when the CA10 came out and I was noticing my EA5 becoming sluggish... Dueport 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Africa C4 user Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 17 hours ago, alvin said: How do you count 600-700 devices? Does connecting either a 8 channel dimming module, keypad, sensor, touch display, zigbee or zwave device be considered as 1 device? As recommended above... worth getting your dealers advice. My dealer strongly recommended the CA10 to me when it came out. This was based on his (more extensive) knowledge of the complexity of my project rather than my counting of devices (which was interesting but nothing more). What I can say is that the only sluggish behaviour I have seen on my CA10 has been where a driver has had a bug in it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moke311 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 50 Device Limit refers to the number of phones and tablets that can be connected to the c4 system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAV Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 On 4/5/2021 at 6:32 AM, alvin said: Hi All, May i know how many devices are supported by CA-1, EA-1,EA3 .. is this controlled by app license? Also, what is the defination of devices? Is connecting the 8-CHANNEL RELAY C4-DIN-8REL-E1 to CA-1 considered as 1 device or 8? thanks alvin Processors are selected based on their computing abilities. The more devices a processor looks after, the slower it could operate. The numbers Control4 lists are recommended systems sizes. Sure, there's some overhead in their numbers, and those are recommendations for a good experience. Put too many devices in a system with a small processor and response time suffers, touchscreens longer to refresh. It won't just stop, but it'll run poorly. Control4 says to count each driver in a system as a device, granted some are more intensive and others less, by their count an 8 Panel dimmer counts as 9 devices, 8 lights and the module itself. I wouldn't run more than 2 panelized modules and a couple keypads/motions etc on a CA1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 1 hour ago, RAV said: I wouldn't run more than 2 panelized modules and a couple keypads/motions etc on a CA1. Yeah it wouldn't push it pas a single 2 panel system either. If ALL you're doing is lighting, but there is a lot of it, personally I'd look at (and quote) a CA-10 if I consider the systems we've done (usually 3 or more 5 slot panels) - I would consider it overkill for only lighting, but spending here is pure processor power vs I/O for an AV system. 3 hours ago, BraydonH said: Yeah I mean by all means go ahead and get one of the most high end, premium lighting systems on the market and pair it with the cheapest controller available. You do you. I will say in the panelized lighting training I am sure I read something along the lines of "If the customer has the budget for panelized lighting, then they have the budget for an EA-5" In training they basically say that as soon as you mention panelized lighting you should be looking at an EA5. Like I say EA3 will do. I wouldn't personally get an EA1 or CA1 and in the scope of a project like this spending the extra $1000 on a nice controller totally makes sense. Still sticking with the EA3 reccomendation. But like I say, you do you. Re-reading my own post, it wasn't clear what my stance is (or it would seem opposite from what I meant to say) - I certainly don't recommend a large system on a CA1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 3 hours ago, South Africa C4 user said: Not that I am aware of! I have manually counted 2 or 3 times (out of interest). The first time was when the CA10 came out and I was noticing my EA5 becoming sluggish... There isn't one in Composer either (only thing we can see is how many zigbee devices) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Moke311 said: 50 Device Limit refers to the number of phones and tablets that can be connected to the c4 system That limit is ancient - if that is still in current docks that needs fixing....and I'm pretty sure that was lifted well before we even had EA series msgreenf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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