Ringold Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 Need some advice please. I would like to upgrade to 1.8 because I am going to add some wireless dimmers to my current project. Current software is 1.7.3. I have:1. hc3002. aviatrix video matrix with 6 HD inputs and currently 5 HD Tvs 3. 3800 songs on an attached usb hard drive4. media server5. 2 ip cameras6. 4 sr250s7. Russound distributed audioHC300 controlling all of the above beautifully. Want 1.8 because its the newest, and because I am going to add some lighting control. Figure might as well update prior to getting the lighting control. BUT, I have read various reports of system slowing. Does anyone think the above system will be significantly slower with upgrading to 1.8???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveC4 Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 I've been holding off on 1.8. I dont' see any benefit to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebery Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 I also am holding off. However I really want a new I/O extender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Most of this has been discussed in other locations on the forum, but here's the 'Executive Summary' for those of you who are considering:If you don't need 'new device' support, there's not really much reason to update.The advantages of 1.8, and ZigBee Pro include:* The ability to run multiple ZAPs on the same channel without changing channels on devices.* The ability to add new 3rd-party devices which are ZigBee Pro compatible (this is mainly the B&D Lock ATM)* The ability to add new Control4 devices which are only supported in 1.8.x and later (i.e. the I/O Extender)* The ability to have lighting scenes execute immediately. i.e., no more 'popcorn effect' when you hit 'all lights off' or 'all lights on', etc.* ZigBee Pro is encrypted on-the-air, so it is more secureThe disadvantages include: * Due to the encryption, some devices are a bit slower, with the main complaint being the SR-250 remote.This is exacerbated in installations where the remote has to go several hops to get to a ZAP, so if all of your controllers are in the basement, and your remotes are 2 floors away, this can be an issue.It is helped by having controllers distributed throughout the home. I personally have 1/floor (3 floors), and don't see much of a slowdown, although it is still likely slower than pre-1.8.This is also helped by having faster controllers, i.e. a main HC1000 controller helps a lot.* ZigBee Pro will not support all legacy devices.-- V1 / V2 remotes will not work in ZigBee Pro.-- The 10-button LCD Keypad (ZigBee version) will not work in 1.8, but WILL work in 2.0.RyanE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecodeman Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 The slowness is not bad at all. I've been running ZP on different versions for some time now and haven't had any issues. I'm about to add a 1000 as well. MJ said "don't stop till you get enough" or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 I also don't find it an issue, but then again, my opinion is a bit tainted.RyanE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebery Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 RyanE,Are you saying the v2 remotes will not work in 2.0? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henniae Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 RyanE,Are you saying the v2 remotes will not work in 2.0?The V1 and V2 remotes do not work with ZigBee Pro. Since OS 2.0 is ZigBee Pro the V1 and V2 remotes will not work in OS 2.0. There are other devices that are not ZigBee Pro compatible also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecodeman Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 RyanE,Are you saying the v2 remotes will not work in 2.0?Yup, this was covered some time ago (around August of last year) when 1.8 came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebery Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 I knew they would not work with 1.8. But I thought they would be ok with 2.0. I must have missed the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 You may be confusing them with the 10-button LCD keypad, which is an in-wall List Navigator device.It is the case that the 10-button LCD keypad does not work in 1.8 and does again work in 2.0.Unfortunately, the V1/V2 remotes are not supported in ZigBee Pro (in 1.8 or in 2.0).Sorry.RyanE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebery Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 I know I am getting off subject, but isn't the v2 and the 10 btn LCD basically the same thing? (internally and function wise) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henniae Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 I know I am getting off subject, but isn't the v2 and the 10 btn LCD basically the same thing? (internally and function wise)I have never heard that one. It makes a nice conspiracy theory. Perhaps Mulder and Skully can check the X-files. I think that the 10 button was available before the V2 remote was even manufactured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebery Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Well I guess you could say a v1. But I never owned one so I said a v2. But if you navigate through the LCD on the remote it is identical to navigating the LCD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henniae Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Well I guess you could say a v1. But I never owned one so I said a v2. But if you navigate through the LCD on the remote it is identical to navigating the LCD.The 10 button is designed to run list navigator just like the V1, V2 and probably V3 remotes do. The menus look the same by design. This does not mean that the hardware of each device is capable of accessing the ZigBee network the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Alan's on the money with this one.Just because two devices use List Navigator doesn't make their hardware (or firmware) or the amount of memory the same (which I believe is the reason the V1 and V2 are not going to Pro).After all, Panasonic Phones (on the right PBXes) can do List Navigator, too, and they're not *anything* like Control4's remotes, they work almost identically to the 10-button LCD Keypad!RyanE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveC4 Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 10 button:V2 Remote (the V1 was nearly identical):Two very different products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebery Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Dan, I know they dont look the same. RyanE, I am not comparing them with any other pieces, the LCD and Panasonics were years apart and different manufacturers.I am just saying that that they operate almost the same, they were brought to market about the same time as first generation products from a startup company, so you would think they would be very similar internally. That and my dealer at the time told me that they were basically the same, one was battery operated remote and the other was an inwall powered by 110v, both zigbee units.I am dropping the subject now.PS: Like I posted before, I must have missed the thread saying the v1/v2 remotes will not work with 2.0, can someone repost the equipment that will not work. I know of the card access pieces. I would have replaced all my remotes when the trade-in deal was going on. Does anyone know if there is talk of bringing that trade-in program back with the release of 2.0?Thankstebery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecodeman Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Blog post:http://c4central.com/2009/11/12/1-8-x-and-later-or-big-bad-zigbee-pro-and-what-it-means-for-you/Original thread:http://c4forums.com/viewtopic.php?id=3949Card Access does have equipment that works in ZP, the issue is the same - some are software upgradeable, some are hardware trade-ins for newer versions. They also have some that ship in ZP already.The list of equipment that will not work in 2.0 has not been finalized since 2.0 is not finalized. There has been no talk to date of bringing back the trade-in promo, but I'm sure if you ask a/your dealer they would be happy to quote you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebery Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Thanks for the links Cody,But it really doesn't offically state that the v2 remotes will not work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveC4 Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 From the blog post:"Unsupported devices:Right now, there are some Zigbee Control4 products that will not work in 1.8, but some will have support in 2.0:Remote Control V1 and V2LCD KeypadContact / Relay extenderMulti-tunerAudio Matrix SwitchMulti-channel amplifiers"Now, you are correct in that it says some of those devices will work with 2.0, but doesn't explicitly say which ones. I wish the V2 remotes would work as well, but fortunately I was able to take advantage of the trade in program to replace the last few V1 and V2 remotes I had in use...that definitely softened the blow a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 The LCD Keypad came *MUCH* later than the V1 remote (2 or 3 years), and the V2 remote is the V1 remote with different buttons and slightly different functionality for the ABCD buttons.The LCD keypad was a completely new design, and didn't reuse anything from the remote, other than they both use List Navigator.So even though they're really both 'first-generation', the remote as less RAM and Flash than the 10-button LCD keypad.Sorry.RyanE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebery Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 RyanE,According to Control4's website, they shipped their first product in 2005. I purchased my LCD's in 2006.At the time, there was not a ethernet version of the LCD.Sorry to beat a dead horse. (Dont tell PETA) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 You've got a good point, but no one loves beating a dead horse more than I do... So here we go:Although FCS (First Customer Ship) for the main line of products (including the V1 remote) was April '05, Control4 was showing the (basically complete) V1 remote at CEDIA '04 in September, and I first saw the V1 remote at CES in '04 (January).It had been in *development* basically since the company started, in '03.The Wireless LCD Keypad was *developed and released* in '06.The PoE LCD Keypad and the V2 remote were both released January of '07 (only a few months after the Wireless LCD Keypad was released).Let's just say we're both right.In any case, I'm sorry you've got V1 remotes with no upgrade path in 1.8 and later. How many of those do you have?RyanEEdited to Add: Congratulations on getting 500 posts, BTW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebery Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Thanks for the history info (seriously).I actually have 3 working v2's left. Who knows they may died before 2.0.Edited to add:Now 501! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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