Mark HT

Maybe the market was just waiting for a decent product? They blew past their target on kickstarter.

It is capable of operating stand alone, but will also have full integration with home assistant which obviously gives them a huge customer base.

Anyway, I spent a lot of time searching and settled on the remote 2. Just thought the op might find it interesting.

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15 minutes ago, BXTR said:

And it only exists as a remote on a nice website. 
 

It has a few more hurdles to clear before it qualifies as “best”

There are functional prototypes: 

 

 

 

This is the best remote I've come across so far:

https://www.unfoldedcircle.com/remote-two

Oled touch screen and backlit buttons.

The best feature is you don't need c4 

On 7/14/2020 at 9:39 AM, Mark HT said:

With a C-Bus Automation Controller it can do anything C4 can.

 

Edit: A lot more customisable though. The controller is based off a LogicMachine product and quite powerful.

Yes, but I already stated that fact in a previuos post. Then requoted it again. And again now.

16 minutes ago, Köhler Medientechnik said:

Well, but this has nothing to do with Cbus.

The controller is C-Bus, but it is based to some degree on a Logicmachine product. Enough that any LUA scripts for Logicmachine will work with minimal changes:

https://www.clipsal.com/products/detail?CatNo=5500NAC&tab-document-1=0

C-Bus is a range of products, not just a protocol like BACNet.

https://www.clipsal.com/products/c-bus-control-and-management-system

3 hours ago, Cyknight said:

WHY are we having a CBUS discussion on a 2 year old tread.....

Because I was searching for info about C4 with NEEO to control Trinnov Altitude 16's when I saw a very misleading statement by AK-1.

Say, for example you visited a C-Bus forum and read a comment saying "Hardly, while C4 may be a great universal remote,  I said "smart home system" - not a standalone universal remote with minimal external integrations" You would firstly wonder why someone with obviously no idea about C4 would make such a comment, then probably feel obliged to set the record straight.

On 7/14/2020 at 9:39 AM, Mark HT said:

The controller is based off a LogicMachine product and quite powerful.

 

4 hours ago, alanchow said:

You can't do that with Cbus 

Yes you can 

Example of IP control for Sony TV: https://forum.logicmachine.net/showthread.php?tid=2476&pid=15783

Example of IP to IR control of Sony TV (by yours truly): https://www.cbusforums.com/threads/ir-blaster-for-shac-nac-success-using-global-cache-ip2ir.10173/

6 hours ago, Pounce said:

It would have been more of a kick if you had followed that sentence with something that contributes to the thread.

Thanks for your contribution. Good example 

Tried to post some links but the forum accused me of being a spambot  thought you guys might get a kick out of that

2 hours ago, RyanE said:

Mark HT has 5 posts, 4 of them in this thread.

I don't think he's an expert in what Control4 can do and how it compares or integrates with a CBUS solution.

RyanE

 

I know way more about C4 than AK1 knows about C-Bus.

1 hour ago, AK1 said:

I am missing the point. C-BUS is an excellent stand-alone lighting system. It apparently now has some automation capabilities. The first page of Google search results revealed next to no useful information. So I tried a search for CBUS automation Samsung TV driver and got back nothing. The same search but for Control4 returns a wealth of useful links.  I remain completely sceptical in the absence of some useful information how "With a C-Bus Automation Controller it can do anything C4 can."

A far more typical approach with C-BUS would be as @EVO924 said "Cbus gives a very clean and hardy lighting control system and then the Control4 comes in to play as the interface but also allows extras like home media, home audio, security, locks etc. and all of this is in the one app".

And to further the confusion @Mark HT has 2 x Neeo remotes to control his AV?  

I really don't see how @Mark HT 's overly simplistic red herrings are helping OP make an informed decision about the design of his lighting and whole home automation.

 

Firstly, I should point out I'm an end user. I don't make money from any of these systems and am here to find out if C4 can work for me. But... You said "Hardly, while it may be a great lighting system,  I said "smart home system" - not a standalone lighting system with minimal external integrations."  Which is very misleading and I thought it were only fair to point out the fact that C-Bus is very capable of being used as  a full automation system. Just because YOU need a "driver" to make something work, doesn't mean it's not possible without a "driver". It is no problem at all to control home media, security, locks, a Samsung TV , etc. all in one "app". Now, I'm not suggesting it's the be all and end all for home automation, just that it's VERY capable (in the right hands at least...) 

Did I say I have 2 x NEEO remotes? What are you confused about? I actually have 1 original NEEO remote from before the C4 buyout and I really like it. That's what lead me to look into C4.

What do you mean by overly simplistic red herring? You are obviously taking my comment about C-Bus as a slight against C4 and hence a personal insult (are you the founder or something?) Oh and you needn't worry about helping the OP. He has probably done more research than me and ended up going with C-Bus and Savant...

Seriously, what upsets you so much about hearing C-Bus is more capable than you thought? I don't see how that would cause a problem for you? 

 

 

Yes

1 hour ago, Pounce said:

Clearly you are here trolling.

Not at all. I'm here because I want 2 nice remotes to control my AV gear and like the NEEO hardware. (If they added play-pause-stop and backlight to the physical buttons...)

Just thought I should point out some facts about C-Bus and it's capabilities whrn it comes to automation.

With a C-Bus Automation Controller it can do anything C4 can.

 

Edit: A lot more customisable though. The controller is based off a LogicMachine product and quite powerful.

On 7/12/2020 at 11:36 PM, AK1 said:

If there's one part of your smart home system you want to be bullet-proof, it's the lighting.

Good reason to choose C-Bus.

On 6/26/2020 at 8:31 PM, msgreenf said:

there is no gui customization. That's actually one of the inherent powers of control4

LOL Good one!