tacos

anyone know when the 2022s are coming out?

On 3/18/2022 at 2:56 PM, eggzlot said:

if you look at those in that Discord channel + those here I am still certain that population is in the VAST minority.

Link to channel?

16 minutes ago, therockhr said:

Keep it up and they might send you a T-shirt. 

Will it say “tacos” on the tee?

18 minutes ago, JSTRONG said:

You were texting Tom all hours for days, even after 10PM and he has pages and pages of text messages. then you started texting me asking about alarm systems then you posted the same questions on the forum. then you responded that you will wait for new controllers before moving forward. Like I said, lots of great remote programmers that can help you here.

 

You are now LYING.

I texted your guy 2/25, 2/28 and 3/3 for a total of 5-6 messages.  Initial message was sent as he emailed the quote to the wrong email address and subsequent were sent to confirm my email were coming through as he disappeared. 

Please post these alleged PAGES of text messages. You have my permission.

Suffice to say, please don't text/email me again.  Your character is really shining in these posts.

edit - only reason I texted you was because your guy disappeared.

edit 2 -  just found the ignore function on the forum - priceless. this will be my last comment about this dealer interaction.

33 minutes ago, JSTRONG said:

You did Tacos. Then you posted our quote online and the same questions you asked us. If you don't trust us then by all means, there are lots of remote dealers here and I can  suggest a few for you. If you need references, we can send you hundreds and I am positive you wont find even one unhappy customer.

Let me clarify a few things :

The quote was posted prior to asking you anything. And whether/when I posted the quote, has no bearing on anything. Last I checked, I didn’t sign a NDA.

 I am looking back the email exchanges now.  I asked you/your staff less 10 questions, but I am glad you equate 10 with 1000. Btw, it was like pulling teeth getting responses initially to basic questions like “why no touchscreens?”

And trust?  trust = competence + character.  See where you are on this equation yourself

Plus didn’t you reach out yesterday asking if I want to move forward?

32 minutes ago, JSTRONG said:

He asked a thousand questions throughout the revisions!

 

 

Who is "he"?

40 minutes ago, BXTR said:

I would tend to disagree, “any” dealer can do anything you want but that doesn’t mean they’ll do it properly, reliably or have great service after the fact. 
 

What will wire management in the rack look like, what’s the quality of the install, what did the rough in look like, what redundancy did it include, do you get along with the personalities of the company and there’s about 1000 other questions that should’ve been asked at the design stage, this is far from quoting on a bill of goods

So -it is- like hiring a personal chef and far less like ordering a burger at a restaurant 

Only after hours of consultation and system changes during the design stage can the true requirements be determined 

Case in point and only one of hundreds of choices that need to be made in a substantial system- a salesman might say “the intrinsic ATV driver is fabulous, you’ll love it” whereas, based on experience, I would never for a second consider it for a client

Long story short, getting opinions on specific items online is one thing, reviewing system design is entirely another

Like the prior poster said - 90% fungible . 

22 minutes ago, wnpublic said:

I can tell you've not hired a personal chef, because that is nothing like having home automation and infrastructure installed and configured/maintained.  I don't mean to be insulting, it is true of my profession too - but home automation dealers are largely fungible for 90% of customer needs.  Any one of dozens in a given metro area could do it.  So costs are a primary consideration and it is suitable for an RFP process.  Personal chef, not so much.

But..but but..... his cable splicing skills coupled with his ability to place the speakers are second to none!

another one : c4 thermostat vs ecobee thermostats?

@ajd123 Workaround is to alarm the system from a DSC app? 

Op - did you ever get a fix for this?

I am getting a new alarm soon and considering DSC, but this situation of yours sounds annoying 

does crestron do similar hardware changes every 5 or so years?

if considering a new install, would it be worthwhile to wait until these are available?

Thoughts on IC Realtime vs Claravision? Is the premium for the IC Realtime justified? The IC are almost twice the price. 

LoL

I wonder if these are regional or national tiers? I would guess these are national, but above convo does not appear to make it seem so 

jstrong - are you a dealer to confirm?

So arkanis switches can be used with ubiquiti ? I believe so but not 100% positive 

Is it recommended to use the same brand switches within a system when starting from scratch?

Would there be reason to use Arkanis switches over Ubiquiti switches assuming starting from scratch with router and access points form Ubiquiti?

17 hours ago, Cyknight said:

Mostly sales numbers (for gold/platinum). There are some additional requirements, such as number of C4 trained employees, number of employees having done 'other' c4 certification, number of years in business, having a showroom, a few others but... yeah mostly sales.

Epic is a bit more involved, in that there are slightly more stringent requirements and falls outside of the other 'levels' (you can be both).

In and of itself being 'more' than an 'authorized dealer' doesn't mean it's a BETTER (or worse) dealer.

Good to know. 
 

so far I have only contacted the top tiers - will reach out a few others to gauge 

On 2/28/2022 at 10:13 AM, pinkoos said:

Could you let us know what models of the hardware you went with? That would be helpful in case I decide to switch to Ubiquiti

Thanks

Second this request 
 

this info would be very helpful

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14 minutes ago, msgreenf said:

That wasn't my idea...the ask was would people pay for a 3rd party audit/compare designs. I don't think they would...

It is such a niche product that would be hard to scale 

most people who automate just do it I would bet. It is a very small percentage who take the time to post like I did and inquire further

are the ranks on the c4 website listed due to volume or is it pay to play?

Referencing diamond vs gold vs platinum etc 

6 minutes ago, msgreenf said:

what is another layer of obfuscation?

another random internet person opining on how things ought to be 

but why?  why add another layer of obfuscation? To make a few bucks? 

why do dealers recommend arkanis?

much appreciated- thank you. 
 

I am working through your details / suggestions and will respond shortly