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Could it be that…maybe o gosh I don’t know … they just like helping people ? I am part of multiple other specialty forums where I just, you know, try to help people lol it also creates stickiness and generates income / reputation for the forum and maybe even dealers if they can get a little business here

the "do it my way or highway" mindset has to do with incentives and profiteering I wonder how his current/prospective clients would react knowing this ridiculous mindset

thanks for your help

Fair enough...I really value ease of life. My wife values aesthetics. So goal is a reasonable balance between the two While I like music, I am not an audiophile and my ears likely won't be able to discern the best from the average. I would ideally want music throughout the house, but I don't want to rip up a brand new house. Hence, focusing mainly on the most used Family Room area. In the future, I am okay with expanding with a plug/play option LMK if you have any specific questions and I will try my best to answer

Goal is posted in one of my earlier posts, but I guess it is non-specific. "summarized what you discussed " - goal: automation along with a security system - family room requires new TV along with an audio system - the walls are already up so plan was try not to tear everything up, hence combo of plug/play sonos with some minimal in wall speakers so they don't jut out of the walls as aesthetically unpleasing - cameras external and internal - i left this up to each dealer to decide and recommend - light controls - left up to the dealer to decide - wifi system - left up to the dealer to decide - security system - each dealer recommended an alarm company to connect with - additional audio throughout the house - briefly discussed, but again the walls are up, so plan was either plug/play sonos or skip altogether let me know if you need additional details

Disagree totally. so far, it has been very productive If I had a dealer who couldn’t handle a public review of their proposal, a relationship wouldn’t be considered. In addition, as you have noticed, I’m not putting any one on blast or naming names etc - this is more of a learning exercise

I can assure you we had the same convo with each dealer are you asking me a specific question or just making a point?

Thanks for the suggestions. Waiting on the initial dealer for replies. had another dealer do a walk through and the result was totally different than the initial. See below : System Room ITEMSSELL PRICEQTY Control4 C4-EA5-V2 Control4 EA-5 Entertainment and Automation Controller V2 $2,584.95 1 Cool Components CP-CC-FL Fully Loaded 4-Fan Component Cooling Unit with Power Supply $325.00 1 Middle Atlantic SSL 1SP LAMINATED SLIDING SHE $166.00 1 Middle Atlantic RCS-4224 MIDDLE ATLANTIC 42 SPACE RACK 5EA 2U X 16" DEEP SHELVES 2U X 18" DEEP SHELVES 2EA 3U X 20" DEEP SHELVES 9 2U BLANKS 1200LBS $2,084.00 1 Control4 C4-THERM-WH Control4 Wireless Thermostat by Aprilaire 8644C4 Estimated as There Zones. We will add as needed $389.95 3 Wattbox KIT-UPS-IP12-2000 Wattbox IP UPS Kit - 12 Outlets | 2000 VA $1,949.95 1 Wirepath KIT-WPONE-D-40-WB-IP Kit including Wirepath ONE 40 CAN, ONE Door, and WB-300 drop in Wattbox $965.95 1 System Room Total $9,245.70 Network - WiFi Access Networks WiFi system is given as an Upgraded WiFi 6 option. Due to the Layout of the house it is not practical to use Eeero. ITEMSSELL PRICEQTY Araknis Networks AN-310-RT-4L2W 310-series Dual-WAN Gigabit VPN Router $498.95 1 Araknis Networks AN-310-SW-R-24-POE Araknis Networks 310-series 24-port L2 Managed Gigabit Switch with Full PoE+ and Rear Ports $1,686.95 1 Araknis Networks AN-510-AP-IW-AC Araknis Networks 510-Series Wave 2 AC 1300 Indoor Wall Mount Wireless Access Point $499.95 4 Araknis Networks AN-700-AP-O-AC Dual-Band Wireless-AC 1750 Outdoor Access Point $638.95 1 Network - WiFi Total $4,824.65 Music Distribution ITEMSSELL PRICEQTY Triad Speakers TS-IC82 Triad InCeiling 8" - Distributed Audio Series 2 - Open Back (Each) Master Bedroom, Master bathroom, Bedroom 1, Bedroom 2, Kitchen $288.95 8 Triad Speakers TS-IW82 Triad InWall 8" - Distributed Audio Series 2 - Open Back (Each) $357.95 6 Triad Speakers TS-IW83 Triad InWall 8" - Distributed Audio Series 3 - Sealed Back (Each) Dining Room, Living Room $479.95 0 Triad Speakers TS-AMS16 Triad 16-Source, 16-Zone Audio Matrix Switch $2,397.95 1 Triad Speakers TS-PAMP8-100 Triad 8-Zone/16-Channel Power Amplifier, 100 WPC @ 4 ohm $2,021.95 1 Episode EARSP16D100 Episode Response DSP Amplifier $2,553.95 0 Music Distribution Total $8,879.20 Lighting ITEMSSELL PRICEQTY Control4 C4-KD120-C-WH Keypad Dimmer, Contemporary, 120V (White) $275.95 10 Control4 C4-APD120-C-WH Adaptive Phase Dimmer, Contemporary, 120V (White) $197.95 15 Control4 C4-SW120277-C-WH Switch, Contemporary, 120V/277V (White) $154.95 5 Control4 C4-FP1-C-WH Control4 Faceplate, Contemporary, 1 Gang (White) $8.75 30 Control4 C4-EBD1H-WH Engraved Button, Decora Single High (White) $5.91 50 Control4 C4-EBDR-SW Engraved Button, Decora Rocker (Snow White) $6.49 20 Lighting Total $7,191.30 Surveillance Door Stations to be added to this System. ITEMSSELL PRICEQTY IC Realtime IPMX-W40F-IRW2 4MP IP INDOOR/OUTDOOR SMALL SIZE VANDAL DOME. FIXED 2.8MM LENS (106A). 90 FEET IR. POE CAPABLE. AI (ADVANCED INTELLIGENCE) ON-BOARD ANALYTICS. $476.00 2 Wall-Smart 076-1-875 WS NC FOR IC Realtime IPMX- W40F-IRW2 $285.00 2 IC Realtime IPEL-B80F-IRW2 8MP IP INDOOR/OUTDOOR SMALL SIZE BULLET. FIXED 2.8MM LENS (108). 98.4 FEET SMART IR. POE CAPABLE. AI (ADVANCED INTELLIGENCE) ON-BOARD ANALYTICS. $780.00 0 IC Realtime IPMX-E40F-W1-LED $398.00 6 IC Realtime NVR-MX16POE-1U4K1-2TB 16 Channel 1U NVR - Integrated 16 Port POE Switch - Supports 8MP Resolution - 200Mbps Throughput - H.264 - Up To 12TB $1,548.00 1 Surveillance Total $5,458.00 Communication As per our initial walkthrough we are proposing three touch screens to be located at Kitchen , Master bedroom and 2nd Fl Hallway (to be used and Intercom to that area (maybe to the Kids). If needed additional ones can be supplied. We are also proposing semi flush mount option. ITEMSSELL PRICEQTY Control4 C4-T4IW10-WH Control4 T4 Series 10 In-Wall Touchscreen (White) $1,513.95 3 Wall-Smart 007-1-850-WH Retrofit Mount for C4-T4IW10 (White) Optional Flush Mount Kit For the Touch Screen $460.00 0 Control4 C4-NWB57C-M New Construction - In-Wall Touch Screen Back Box (Metal) $22.87 3 Control4 C4-EA1-V2 Control4 EA-1 Entertainment and Automation Controller V2 $588.95 1 Communication Total $5,199.41 Side Entry ITEMSSELL PRICEQTY Control4 C4-VDB-E-BL Chime Video Doorbell $509.95 1 Control4 C4-VDB-E-ACC contains a 15-degree left and right wedge and wall plate $40.00 1 Yale YRD256-HA2-0BP TOUCHSCREEN ZIGBEE-KEY FREE DB $275.00 1 Side Entry Total $824.95 Family Room We put our basic manual Mantel mount to the proposal. We prefer the motorized one if you would like to go of it. ITEMSSELL PRICEQTY Control4 C4-EA1-V2 Control4 EA-1 Entertainment and Automation Controller V2 $588.95 1 Mantelmount MM860 The Automated MM860 Robotic mount is perfect solution for high-on-wall, upscale installations. It goes perfectly into a simultaneous drop down and swivel position for the ultimate in eye-level comfort. It works with or without a home automation system. $2,199.00 0 Strong KIT-VB-PRO-14-WB-IP5 Strong VersaBox Pro with IP Compact WattBox - 14" x 14" Kit $619.95 1 Mantelmount MM750 Easily pull a TV down to eye-level & swivel left or right. Great for fireplace or high on the wall installations. Handles 55 100 TVs. $999.99 0 Mantelmount MM710 Pro Series Pull Down TV Mount $549.99 1 B&W Formation Bar Wireless soundbar with dedicated center channel and multiroom streaming flexibility. 3 x 1 double dome tweeter, 6 x 2.5 woven glass fiber cone bass/ midrange. Optical and network connections. IR learning. Wall bracket included $1,299.00 1 B&W Formation Bass Wireless Subwoofer with DSP, Dynamic EQ. 2 x 6.5 long throw bass units. Pairs seamlessly with all Formation speakers $1,199.00 1 B&W Formation Flex Black Compact wireless speaker system. 1 decoupled double dome tweeter. 4 woven glass fibre cone bass/midrange. Use as mono, stereo, whole home, or surrounds $499.00 2 Family Room Total $5,254.89 Basement Kids Room ITEMSSELL PRICEQTY Control4 C4-EA1-V2 Control4 EA-1 Entertainment and Automation Controller V2 $588.95 1 Strong KIT-VB-PRO-14-WB-IP5 Strong VersaBox Pro with IP Compact WattBox - 14" x 14" Kit $619.95 1 Basement Kids Room Total $1,208.90 Foyer/ Front Door ITEMSSELL PRICEQTY Control4 C4-VDB-E-BL Chime Video Doorbell $509.95 1 Control4 C4-VDB-E-ACC contains a 15-degree left and right wedge and wall plate $40.00 1 Yale YRD256-HA2-0BP TOUCHSCREEN ZIGBEE-KEY FREE DB $275.00 1 Foyer/ Front Door Total $824.95 Outdoor Audio ITEMSSELL PRICEQTY Episode ESA-70V2CH-500W Episode 500W per Channel, 2 Channels 70 Volt Digital Power Amplifier (IR, RS232, & IP Control) $2,023.95 1 Episode ES-LS-BSUB-12-CPR Episode Landscape Series Burial Subwoofer with 12 in. Woofer (Brown Dome | Each) $1,701.95 1 Episode ES-TERRAIN-PB Episode Terrain Series - Satellite Speaker Pivot Bracket $26.18 4 Episode ES-LS-STAKE-12 12 in. Stake Mount for Episode Landscape Satellite Speakers (Each) $16.16 4 Episode ES-LS-SAT-8-BRN Episode Landscape Series Satellite Speaker with 8 in. Woofer, 70-volt/8-ohm (Dark Brown | Each) $815.95 4 Outdoor Audio Total $7,159.06 Wire & Connector ITEMSSELL PRICEQTY Wirepath SP-CAT6-SH-1000-BLU Cat 6 Shielded 23/4 Solid CMG-Rated Wire - 1000 Ft. Drum (Blue) $737.95 2 Wirepath NST-CAT6-1000-GRN Cat 6 Unshielded 23/4 Solid CMG-Rated Wire 1000 Ft. Nest in Box (Green) $281.95 3 Wirepath NST-122-DB-500-WH 12awg, 2 Cond, Direct Burial, 65 Strand, Wet Slick, OFC OutDoor Audio Wire $498.95 1 Leon Speakers 16/4 ICE Cable $475.00 4 Wire & Connector Total $4,720.70 Labor Estimate We are estimating it would take a team of 4 up to 4 days to install eight cameras and run all the wires needed. Rates are given as day for supervisor technician and regulars. Same calculation rate goes for the install. System programming and Project Management charged by the hour and all documented / kept under signature. ITEMSSELL PRICEQTY System Programming/ Project Management $200.00 40 Pre-Wire Supervisor Day $800.00 4 General Prewire Man/ Day team of 3 Technicians Total 3 days Estimated for Pre wire $600.00 12 General Install - Supervisor - Day $800.00 1 General Install Tech - Day $600.00 5 Project Management & System Programming $500.00 12 Labor Estimate Total $28,200.00 Financial Summary Parts Total $60,791.71 Labor Total $28,200.00 Subtotal $88,991.71

Forgot to mention - we also plan to get some motorized blinds. We prefer the Shade Store but have read Lutron is preferred. Not sure if Lutron has the same fabrics etc as shade store

can you expand on why not recommended? Sorry if noob question as I’m learning on another note , I asked the dealer multiple questions. Will report back.

i don’t not like the dealer. This is all sort of new to me so having expert feedback is very helpful for a 5 figure job

House 5k square feet with 3 little ones and wife. Only one TV for now but will get a few more in the future. thanks for suggestions

Sonos picked by dealer. I was/am open to anything. Dealer reasoning was that it would not need destruction of the current walls. I want lights, HVAC , security system , cameras etc etc Looking for automation to make things easier. Control at night would be nice ie night setting shuts off certain indoor lights, turns on outdoor lights, locks doors, arms alarm etc etc pretty open to any audio and video suggestions Goal : I suppose to make life easier with ample security.

Thanks - will inquire and post back

Thanks for the input. I wasn’t too thrilled about the Sonos recommendation but the dealer stated “it is the easiest” Anything you suggest? I’m okay with spending more for higher end if needed thought on Clare vision cameras? I plan to get a security system as well

Hey all - we moved into a new home and looking to get control4We had a dealer do a walkthrough. I am posting the suggestions below from dealer Please let me know your thoughts about pricing, equipment choices, etc etc Suggestions on how to improve are especially welcome Card Access C4-SGB10A-2D-ZP Smart Garage Bundle Up to 2 Garage Doors $466.95 1 Control4 C4-VDB-W-SN CHIME VIDEO DOORBELL (Wi-Fi) - Satin Nickel $509.95 1 1 related item Control4 C4-4Sight-E 1 Year 4Sight Subscription Kit $120.00 1 Yale YALE-RD226NR-619 Yale Assure Touch Screen Deadbolt - (Satin Nickel) $169.00 2 ITEMSSELL PRICEQTY Samsung 65LS03AA Samsung 65" The Frame QLED 4K Smart TV (2021) $1,699.00 1 1 related item Strong SM-RBX-PRO-20-BLK Strong VersaBox Pro | Recessed Flat Panel Solution - 14" x 20" $315.95 1 Araknis Networks AN-110-SW-R-8 Araknis Networks 110-series 8-port Unmanaged+ Gigabit Switch with Rear Ports $138.95 1 Sonos Arc (White) SONOS ARC WHITE $899.00 1 1 related item Sanus WSSAWM1-W2 Sanus Extendable Wall Mount Designed For Sonos Arc - White $119.99 1 Sonos ONE GEN2 - WHITE SONOS ONE WHITE $219.00 2 2 related items: Sonos SONOS-ONE-WM-PR-WH Sonos Wall Mounts for One, One SL, and Play:1 (Pair) | White $99.00 Outlet installs for Sonos Ones $75.00 2 Sonos Sub (Gloss White) Sonos - Sub (Gen 3) Wireless Subwoofer - White $749.00 1 Control4 C4-EA1-V2-RSK Control4 EA-1 Entertainment Bundle W/Remote & Recharging Station V2 $960.95 4 Programming $250.00 Outside : ITEMSSELL PRICEQTY Sonos Amp (Black) Sonos Amp (Black) $699.00 1 Episode ES-500-AW-6-WHT Episode All Weather 6-1/2 in. Speakers (White | Pair) $502.95 1 1 related item Epic SystemsSpeaker Pre Wire Speaker cable for audio system $50.00 Home Networking Total coverage Wifi. All hard wired Access points, Switch and Router for a complete enterprise network $3,500.00 Surveillance Clare Controls CLR-V200-8PNVR2 ClareVision NVR - 8 Channels | 2TB $541.95 1 2 related items: Araknis Networks AN-210-SW-R-8-POE Araknis Networks 210-series 8-port Websmart Gigabit Switch with Partial PoE+ and Rear Ports $434.95 1 Pre Wire IP camera network run $50.00 7 Clare Controls CLR-V300-8B28CNW ClareVision Performance Series 8MP Color at Night Bullet Camera | White $274.95 3 Clare Controls CLR-V300-8T28CNW ClareVision Performance Series 8MP Color at Night Turret Camera $274.95 6 Surveillance Total $4,241.55 Lighting ITEMSSELL PRICEQTY Control4 C4-V-FPD120-WH Essential Forward Phase Dimmer, 120V (White) $92.95 8 Control4 C4-V-AUX-WH Essential Auxiliary Keypad (White) $34.17 4 Control4 C4-V-SW120277-WH Essential Switch, 120V/277V (White) $92.95 2 4 Lighting Total $1,726.18 total is about $16k parts and $4k labor appreciate all the input