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  1. 39 minutes ago, SMHarman said:
    12 hours ago, D.Adams said:
    Although there is certainly an argument to be made made that. LeakSmart style system Is less effective with
    • a burst pipe in the wall or anywhere without a sensor
    • Water path missed the sensor completely
    • Faulty sensors/offline sensors
    Essentially the water shut off valve is only as good as it’s sensors. Making LeakSmart a less reliable a system.
    I like the fact that Moen Flo style of prevention is
    • self-contained
    • detects continuous and suspicious  flow and Stops it
    • tested nightly
    I actually would prefer a hybrid of the two styles
    • one that has the ability to detect and stop from the main supply 
    • and could optionally have external wet sensors but not fully reliant on them
     
    Is there a product like that now?

    You could do that with Control4 in the middle. A water bug or alarm or something trips a relay in Control4 telling flo to shut off.

    That would work great. Well except for the fact that the Control4 driver for Moen Flo is still ...SOL

  2. Although there is certainly an argument to be made made that. LeakSmart style system Is less effective with

    • a burst pipe in the wall or anywhere without a sensor
    • Water path missed the sensor completely
    • Faulty sensors/offline sensors

    Essentially the water shut off valve is only as good as it’s sensors. Making LeakSmart a less reliable a system.

    I like the fact that Moen Flo style of prevention is

    • self-contained
    • detects continuous and suspicious  flow and Stops it
    • tested nightly

    I actually would prefer a hybrid of the two styles

    • one that has the ability to detect and stop from the main supply 
    • and could optionally have external wet sensors but not fully reliant on them

     

    Is there a product like that now?

  3. 16 hours ago, AK1 said:

    The hub and sensors are critical for alerts, notifications and telling the shut-off valve to close. How else do you propose to turn off your water supply in the event of a leak?

    For Leaksmart to work you must use their sensors. 

    Correct me if I’m wrong but Moen Flo does not use or need any external sensors to shut off the water.

    I surmised that the LeakSmart can work the same way but just offers sensors for quicker alerts and locating leaks. But as you just confirmed LeakSmart sensors are a necessary part of their system not an optional one.

  4. Can the Shut of valve be used independently? Without their hubs and sensors?

    AND I see three valves

    1. With Flow

    2. Shut off Valve

    3. Snap

    Are all three shut off valves or you could get all three to work in one system

     

    Then there is the matter of sensors

    Okay this what I’m understanding.

     

    Since I already have sensors = I do not need the Hub or the LeakSmart sensors. I see them more for alerts and locating the leak as oppose to actually shutting off the water. Is that assumption correct.

    I do have other houses that I plan to install a shutoff valve that does not have water sensors.

    One, I’m assuming that the hub and sensors are nice to have for alerts and notification but not necessarily a necessary component of shutting off the water. Again verification appreciated for clarification.

    Thirdly, If I do choose to use their sensors as oppose to the water sensors contact via the alarm panel. How are they? I like water sensors that are wired to the panel for two reasons one, no batteries to change two they easier to place with their foot print smaller than the sensor pucks these systems ussualy sell.

     

    Cheers 

  5. I need some guidance on LeakSmart. Their site has multiple products that seem to do the same thing. As a Control4 user what LeakSmart products Would i require? Note I already have water sensors tied in with my alarm panel. Can i tie them in with the shut off valve via Control4? Will this eliminate the need for the LeakSmart hub and sensors?

     

    Thank you

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