blub Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Hi I am exploring HDMI matrix switches. The control4 ones look pretty good with 2160p @30hz and 4:2:0 color space. However because those things are not in the cheap side I want to get as future proof as possible. So I am asking myself if there is actually a HDMI matrix that supports 2160p @60Hz with 4:4:4 color space and that's compatible with C4. Anyone with qualified insight and experience on that? Thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d1amund Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 1080p60 4:4:4 and 3840x2160p30 4:2:0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blub Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share Posted February 13, 2017 1080p60 4:4:4 and 3840x2160p30 4:2:0 Isn't that whatl I said? 2160 @30hz 4:2:0 :-)? I am looking for 3840x2160p60 4:4:4 - does such a matrix switch exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bsmall423 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Not yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecodeman Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 27 minutes ago, blub said: Isn't that whatl I said? 2160 @30hz 4:2:0 :-)? I am looking for 3840x2160p60 4:4:4 - does such a matrix switch exist? They just completed a reference design for the specs and introduced it at ISE, so I dont expect anything to ship with those capabilities until later this year or early next. http://www.cepro.com/article/hdbaset_valens_4k_60hz_ul_cable_certification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blub Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share Posted February 13, 2017 They just completed a reference design for the specs and introduced it at ISE, so I dont expect anything to ship with those capabilities until later this year or early next. http://www.cepro.com/article/hdbaset_valens_4k_60hz_ul_cable_certification OK thx. That's interesting however I was actually more looking for support that 2160p60 4:4:4 resolution over a direct HDMI connection - or is that supported with the C4 switch, if so I missed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecodeman Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 1 minute ago, blub said: OK thx. That's interesting however I was actually more looking for support that 2160p60 4:4:4 resolution over a direct HDMI connection - or is that supported with the C4 switch, if so I missed that. How many inputs and outputs do you need? As stated above the Control4 one does 4:2:0, and their new stuff only has 2 local hdmi out - most are rj45 with hdbaset. I dont know of any off hand that will do a traditional 8x8 matrix with 4:4:4 on 4k/60. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blub Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share Posted February 13, 2017 I would only need 3 inputs and 2 outputs. Is hdbased really that reliable compared to native HDMI wiring? Do you think a 4:4:4 4K option could be a firmware update, or is that unlikely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecodeman Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I would only need 3 inputs and 2 outputs. Is hdbased really that reliable compared to native HDMI wiring? Do you think a 4:4:4 4K option could be a firmware update, or is that unlikely? It's not going to be a firmware update. New hardware chips needed. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy.trochez Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 4K@60 4:4:4 can only do 8-bit. 4K@60 4:2:0 can do 10-bit I'll be impressed if you can tell the difference. Personally, I'll take 10-bit over 8-bit any day. Besides, the new HDMI 2.1 is here; so you can never be future proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blub Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share Posted February 13, 2017 24 minutes ago, eddy.trochez said: 4K@60 4:4:4 can only do 8-bit. 4K@60 4:2:0 can do 10-bit I'll be impressed if you can tell the difference. Personally, I'll take 10-bit over 8-bit any day. Besides, the new HDMI 2.1 is here; so you can never be future proof. Ahh, I thought that 4:4:4 is 10bit. So well then the switch should suffice - thx - and no won't tell the difference for now, but maybe on a TV in 10y ;-) @thecodeman Is HDbasT reliable enough that you would only pull a Cat7 cable - so no HDMI cable ? - thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecodeman Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Ahh, I thought that 4:4:4 is 10bit. So well then the switch should suffice - thx - and no won't tell the difference for now, but maybe on a TV in 10y ;-) @thecodeman Is HDbasT reliable enough that you would only pull a Cat7 cable - so no HDMI cable ? - thx Personally I've quit doing hdbt and use just add power for video distribution. But yes, if you pull shielded cat6 or 7 you should be good. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blub Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share Posted February 13, 2017 13 minutes ago, thecodeman said: Personally I've quit doing hdbt and use just add power for video distribution. But yes, if you pull shielded cat6 or 7 you should be good. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Uhh looks interesting. Just when I think I am made up my mind something else pops up... Could you give a rough estimate what JAP would cost to sent 2 sources to 1 destination ready for 4K? That be great to deliberate about whether it is an option or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecodeman Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 4 hours ago, blub said: Uhh looks interesting. Just when I think I am made up my mind something else pops up... Could you give a rough estimate what JAP would cost to sent 2 sources to 1 destination ready for 4K? That be great to deliberate about whether it is an option or not. You're looking at about $2900 give or take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d1amund Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Isn't that whatl I said? 2160 @30hz 4:2:0 :-)? I am looking for 3840x2160p60 4:4:4 - does such a matrix switch exist? Haha right you are. Sorry thought you were asking the specs on the C4 switches, carry on ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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