cannot synchronize zone after update firmware ( pelase advice)

[anapuri]

Good afternoon ,

 

We have some problems with the control 4 in the Villas.

 

1.      We have 4 unit villas and each villa has 1 head unit control 4. For each villa with details 2 units of HC 250 with firmware ver 2.8.0, 2 units of firmware 2.9.0 and 2.9.1

2.      With assumption each head unit for 5-6 tables (each tablet for 1 zone)

 

 

·         When we still used HC 250 we have once update the firmware to 2.9.0 moreover in terms of application we also need to update it. And the problem start from here after we update the firmware to 2.9.0. if we move the tablet from one zone to another zone, like for example tablet A for bedroom 1 moved to bedroom 2, we used to just synchronize it by removing the check mark/unhide the zone we wanted to re-synchronize.  Without turning off/restarting the head unit.

·         But since we update to 2.9.0 if we have case like the above and we wanted to synchronize we have to turn off/restart the head unit first, then re-setting the tablet to the designed zone.

 

Photo..

 

·         Is there any solution for this case so we don’t have to restart the head unit everytime we move the tablet to other zone? Because if we do restart too often we afraid it will damage the head unit.

 

Thank you for your attention and hopefully we can have solution for this as soon as possible.

[knowitall]

All the C4 gear in the project should be on the same OS version. Start by upgrading everything to 2.9.1 

[knowitall]

if you need to, you can fly me out there for a couple weeks and I'll program and test it for you 

[anapuri]

 

17 hours ago, knowitall said:

All the C4 gear in the project should be on the same OS version. Start by upgrading everything to 2.9.1 

we try update to 2.9.1 still not working, 

[knowitall]

Let me see if I got this. Each "villa" is a stand alone project running on 1 controller, either EA3 or HC250. 

 

You have tablets that you want dedicated to 1 room only so you are syncing the tablet to the project with all other room hidden via the app and not refreshing navigators thru composer in order to only pull in the room you want?

pretty ingenious if that actually worked but I didn't think settings would ever push unless navigators were refreshed from within composer (which is basically what you're doing by power cycling it)

Or I got it all wrong

[eddy.trochez]

I think they are keeping them in the same project, but only want to be able to access the room in which they are at. OP, you need to refresh navigators every time you hide and unhide the rooms. This way you don't have to restart the Controller. 

[anapuri]

3 hours ago, knowitall said:

Let me see if I got this. Each "villa" is a stand alone project running on 1 controller, either EA3 or HC250. 

 

You have tablets that you want dedicated to 1 room only so you are syncing the tablet to the project with all other room hidden via the app and not refreshing navigators thru composer in order to only pull in the room you want?

pretty ingenious if that actually worked but I didn't think settings would ever push unless navigators were refreshed from within composer (which is basically what you're doing by power cycling it)

Or I got it all wrong

Correct, one villa one controller. And yes, we use one tablet for 1 room like the above picture. We have run the system since 2012 until now. The problem only occurred end of last year, since firmware updated to 2.9.0. Controller that still use firmware 2.8.0 still running normally without any problem, we can just synchronize to any room we want to dedicate it. 

About the navigators we always consult with our dealer here. 

[anapuri]

3 hours ago, eddy.trochez said:

I think they are keeping them in the same project, but only want to be able to access the room in which they are at. OP, you need to refresh navigators every time you hide and unhide the rooms. This way you don't have to restart the Controller. 

So we can refresh the navigator? Can you please advise how to do it? 

[msgreenf]

It's in the file menu in composer.

 

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[knowitall]

Refreshing navigators is going to push project settings to all the tablets tho next time it connects so they would all be showing the same room. Unless you can turn that off but I cannot find the option

 

they way they were doing it the single device would pull new settings. Neat trick but surprised it ever worked tbh

[eddy.trochez]

I see, one tablet per room. You're right, it won't work.

OP, the solution to your problem is the Access Agent. This will allow you to lock the tablet to a specific room. And you don't need to go to Composer every time to change rooms. All you need to do is enter the Code in the tablet to change rooms. 

Add the Access agent to your project using Composer, setup a Code, choose your options, refresh navigators and you're done.

 

[knowitall]

I think I found it - would have to try at home tho don't have time right now

 

In system design on the main page for the project under properties, there is a check box for "push settings from project" which i believe is checked by default.  you may need a dealer to uncheck that box and it may work again.

[eddy.trochez]

5 minutes ago, knowitall said:

I think I found it - would have to try at home tho don't have time right now

 

In system design on the main page for the project under properties, there is a check box for "push settings from project" which i believe is checked by default.  you may need a dealer to uncheck that box and it may work again.

This would not allocate one tablet per room. I'm lost, I don't know what the OP is asking for, or how he wants the system to work.

[knowitall]

What I think he's doing (and again if it works it's a pretty ingenious work around) is hiding all the rooms except the one he wants, then thru the app>settings>edit>sync is pulling in just the room he wants for a specific tablet, rinse, repeat. I mean, I don't know and pretty sure that since 2.6 it was pushing project settings.

 

it could work since you're not telling director to push project settings, instead, requesting them from the device.  but again, i'd have to go home and get my phone and tablet to try. 

[eddy.trochez]

Not sure if that's what he wants, he said he has to reboot the controller to make it work and rebooting pushes the project to the panels, I just tried it with the box unchecked.

[knowitall]

And what happened?

[eddy.trochez]

6 hours ago, knowitall said:

And what happened?

You're right, it does work. One room is missing from my iPad and it's showing up in my T3.

The access agent is easier and better to manage; and it does the same thing.

[knowitall]

Pretty cool trick when only using the app I guess. imo the access agent sucks and could use an upgrade. Thanks for testing!

[eddy.trochez]

It does need an update, but for the OP it would be so much better for what he wants to do. Much quicker to setup, update, and no tedious room hiding. 

[knowitall]

Only problem is the all zones house button in the corner. Can't lock that out. 

[eddy.trochez]

Yep, that's one of the big problems with the Access Agent, but the OP has the same issue with his current method. Again, Access Agent is a way better solution.

[Cyknight]

You can fix this pretty easily by simply using T3 portable units instead. ID each tablet to a room, then hide all rooms. This instantly forces each portable to their own room.

 

Sure, I know - not cheap.

 

On the other hand, WHY are you moving these tablets around if you have one dedicated for every room. Might just be that much easier to get a few extra tablets?

[Cyknight]

Hmm thinking on it, I think an issue was introduced in 2.9 where hiding the FIRST room in a project causes some grief - a fix is in the works, but I wonder if it's related...