rf5000 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Guys,When installing Control4 Dimmers to control a light, do they work in conjunction with another normal switch as three way? For instance, if I have a set of lights that are turned off in two locations, can one be a regular switch and one be a Control4 dimmer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormwatch Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Need a c4 dimmer on the main and then a 2/3/6 button on the remaining 3way switch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 No.If you were to put a 'regular' (physical) switch in for one of the legs in a 3-way installation, if that switch were open (off), no power would get to the dimmer, and thus to the light.3-way circuits in a Control4 installation consist of a dimmer controlling the load, and the other location is a 2-button keypad (which looks like a dimmer). The Control4 system can connect these two devices in the project, and operating the 2-button keypad causes the dimmer to be controlled.RyanE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rf5000 Posted October 19, 2012 Author Share Posted October 19, 2012 I don't understand. My 3 ways are wired with the power coming to the first switch, then to the second switch, then to the light. If the Control4 dimmer was installed in the first location where the power comes in, would it not always have power? And, the Control4 dimmer could not detect if the "satellite" switch was on or off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFUG Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 ^That is partially true. But the big difference is a typical 3-way switch has two "outputs" and a C4 load controller has just one. Traditional 3-way wiring has both a hot switched and a traveler. The C4 device has only a hot switched (red wire). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 In a 3-way installation, *either* switch needs to be able to operate the load.If you install the physical switch after the dimmer, and turn that switch off, the dimmer cannot turn it on.Again, no you can't use a 'standard physical' 3-way switch with a Control4 dimmer in any meaningful way.RyanE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rf5000 Posted October 19, 2012 Author Share Posted October 19, 2012 Okay, guess I will have to buy some 2 button keypads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaffacree Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Does anyone have a good diagram for wiring a 3 way switch with power at the dimmer and keypad at other location. I am having a hell of a time getting this to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 There isn't a single diagram.3-ways can be wired different ways:1) Power and the load both come into the same box.2) Power comes into one box, load comes into the other box.3) Power goes to the light, then the 'switch leg' comes down to one box, over to other.Basically, you just need to wire the power Neutral and Hot to both boxes, for the dimmer and the keypad, and locate the dimmer in the box that has the *load*.RyanE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Oh, and if it's wired #3, 'switch leg', I don't know how you'd go about wiring it. You'd likely have to run a neutral from the light to the box, which is difficult.RyanE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHateC4 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 google for physical 3way diagram. The idea is pretty much straight forward, in 3-way physical switch, there is a bridge (traveler) wire. This wire's designed to run through every switches (3 switches) in the circuit. to make C4 switches to work with 3-way physical switches. YOU NEED 2X C4 2-button keypads, and 1x C4 switch.1st box: you wire the C4 switch as color code, green, white, red, black, (cab the traveler wire seperate)2nd box: all you need is black/white/ground for the first C4 2-button keypads. cab those traveler serate)3rd box: do the same thing to 2nd box.FINALLY, you need to go to COMPOSER PRO bind, the keypads to the switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaffacree Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 ok. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHateC4 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 New Control4's DIYer tend to be confused that C4 has 3way switch, but they are not available.The whole idea is you understand how the wire run, even it's 4-way or 5-way, they use only 1 switch and the rest are keypads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashmoney Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Oh, and if it's wired #3, 'switch leg', I don't know how you'd go about wiring it. You'd likely have to run a neutral from the light to the box, which is difficult.RyanERunning a neutral from the light to the box is only difficult if you don't have conduit. If you have conduit this couldn't be easier. All you need is a $30 fish tape, thhn wire, and about 30 min of work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanE Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Running a neutral from the light to the box is only difficult if you don't have conduit. If you have conduit this couldn't be easier. All you need is a $30 fish tape, thhn wire, and about 30 min of work.While this is true, it's also irrelevant for most residential construction in the US.Of course, in NYC or Hawaii, or anywhere else you have conduit, go for it.RyanEP.S. I'd save the $30, get some kite string, a cotton ball, some light rope, and a vacuum cleaner. Suck the kite string through attached to the cotton ball, then pull the rope through using the kite string, then pull the THHN through with the rope.Takes a little more time, but a lot less time than going to the store and buying a $30 fish tape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingzz Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 But once you teach a guy to fish tape... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaffacree Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 The dimmer controls the lights now, the keypad is meshed with the hc 800. Is there any reason why the dimmer won't mesh? Would the light being wired wrong stop the zigbee from syncing with composer pro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Color of LED is anything other than green? It's either on embernet zigbee and needs to be updated, or it thinks it's on a mesh but it isn't. You'll have to get it to leave the mesh and re-connect/identify. If it's green, try deleting the the light, re-add and id again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaffacree Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 It's blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaffacree Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 HOw do you get it to leave the mesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHateC4 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 after 4press upper button, you see the blue led and the mac does not show in the composer pro. try to leave the mesh. 13-4-13 and re-id.sometimes it's in the process of updating to zigbee-pro. I would give it a bit more time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaffacree Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Great, that worked like a charm. Everything is working now.Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHateC4 Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Congrat, u have successfully config your system without a "Dealer". :cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Congrat, u have successfully config your system without a "Dealer". :cool:Meh technically a dealer put him on the right path :cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axay Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Hello everyone, I have Control4 dimmer and 6- keypad. One box has line with 3 way regular switch and other box has other 3 way switch with load. Which box should I install dimmer and keypad. Also I have Red, white, yellow, green and black cable on both. How to connect them? Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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