7 minutes ago, therockhr said:

A hard button AV remote is a requirement for me. Without that I cant ever switch to something else. Plus the amount of stuff you can do with just an EA-1 is great. There are things I dont like about C4 but the price (outside of touchscreens) and the system itself is not it.

Agreed, and this is why I am still a fan of the SR-260 remotes.  I don't know what HA supports in terms of remotes.  But I do like the fact that I can add a new smart outlet switch by myself in two minutes without having to buy a driver.

57 minutes ago, Amr said:

 also you can do workaround like ZB3/HA/C4 till its natively supported!

But then I might start to like HA too much!  I am starting to really like the flexibility of HA.  If I were to start over and really knew the pros and cons of various systems I would probably go with HA.

12 minutes ago, C4 User said:

Newer on-demand water heaters have recirculating options.

That doesn't help if there is a longish distance from the heater to the faucet.  Even before I switched away from a tank as it took a while for the hot water to travel from the furnace room in my basement to my second floor Master Bedroom ensuite bathroom.  With the on-demand it takes even longer.  So I would like to have the hot water faucet run for 60 seconds or so as part of my C4 wake up routine.

That wouldn't work with in my instance since I have an on-demand heater.  In my case it would be nice to just run a faucet in my Master Bedroom ensuite for one minute or so as part of my WakeUp routine.  Right now I manually turn on the tap and let it run while I have my morning wizz.

As an interesting aside, I guess the definition of "older house" depends on where you live.  I am in the city of Toronto and my house originally dates from the 1950s, but I don't consider that an older house.  It is the newest house of the three that I have owned, and is younger than the homes that I live in growing up.  To me an older house was built in the 19th century or pre WWI.

I will do wild ass speculation on three outcomes:

1. Status quo - proprietary Zigbee.
2. Ability for C4 to support third party Zigbee, but C4 devices are not supported by "Open Zigbee" or whatever it is called.
3. C4 Zigbee devices can now be controlled by third party systems
4. Fully open which is 2+3

4 hours ago, pdapice said:

I had this issue too, then i had a recirculating pump installed on my hot water heater. Nearly instant hot water. best purchase i ever made.

How does this work?  And where is the pump - at the point of use, or by the water heater?

1 hour ago, Control4Savant said:

I get your vibe and I generally agree that conversations get snubbed here just because of bs… but the OP is specifically asking for more detail about stuff that there is no information about and will likely not be here anytime soon. 

So I am the OP.  I asked this question because I have seen the issue alluded to - I believe both in these forums (although I could be wrong) and on reddit.  I am interested because I may be buying hardware in the near future, which could include stuff like Wifi or Zigbee relays or sensors - maybe stuff from Shelly, Sonoff, etc.  And it would be nice if there was a chance that this stuff would work directly with C4.  But for now I will have to use a third party hub and perhaps use something like Home Assistant connected to Control4.

I could buy something like a Z2IO but it is very expensive for the functionality.  I don't know what the current price of a Z2IO is, but I have a 2020 pricelist where it is $180.

3 minutes ago, therockhr said:

From what has been mentioned Zigbee 3 and Zigbee Pro (c4 proprietary) would both be available. Nothing has been said about C4 moving to Zigbee 3 although you would think that would be the end goal.

Having both available would make the transition easier.

I have seen a couple of mentions that in the near future Control4 will be switching away from its proprietary version of Zigbee to Zigbee 3.  I believe that one ramification of this is that third party Zigbee products should now work in Control4.  Which would be great news.

Can someone explain this in more detail, including the upgrade process?  Will this be like the Embernet - > Zigbee upgrade where all devices, like dimmers and keypads, need to be updated.  Will this mean that some hardware will have to be retired?

28 minutes ago, prabeau said:

It should be automatic 

Agreed, but some people have said that they have to re-link the Alexa skill to C4.  I haven't found that to be the case.

These Yolink devices seem pretty cool. @Southerncentralrain Are you still using them?  Do you still use IFTT or are you using other ways to integrate them into C4?  Like MQTT or HTTP?

35 minutes ago, eggzlot said:

Wasn’t there yesterday 

they posted it today 

Thanks, but it should have been there yesterday, or even Saturday.  Wouldn't C4 have monitoring to know immediately when something like this breaks?

7 hours ago, msgreenf said:

I can connect fine remote

It's back now, I didn't have to reset anything, it just works again.

Where is that from?  I didn't see it on their web page yesterday.

1 hour ago, Amr said:

https://bphillips09.github.io/control4-ha-drivers/

Thanks, I really like the Open Source aspect of HA, although there may be a downside to it if stuff stops getting supported.  IMO C4 would be better if they were more open to allowing end users to write drivers, but they make that difficult.

43 minutes ago, Leighm0 said:

Just fwiw, Control4 are actively planning on swapping over from ZBPro (secret sauce) to ZB3 in 2024, with a mention that interoperable Zigbee 3.0 meshes (open to use any device) will come later in 2024.  Which might bring the "hundreds of ZB3 devices" directly into C4, similar to the Common Z-wave drivers (I assume) - and then I guess 3rd Party drivers..

Any idea if that will require new controllers?  Or will all existing controllers be able to run ZB3?  Or just EA and Core?  Or just Core?

If it's any consolation I am still down here and it was working a day or two ago.

You probably have an EA-5 or EA-3 as your controller.  That still works fine.

FWIW, I am having problems with Alexa today as well.  Maybe some functionality is down right now.

Do you use any ad-blocking like PiHole?  I find that can cause issues until you figure out what to whitelist.

11 hours ago, Amr said:

What are my plans? move everything to HA and use a C4/HA driver to control all devices that is not supported in C4 including hundreds of ZB3 devices!

Which C4/HA driver are you using?

Looks like an interesting piece of hardware, especially with MyQ being so hostile to third party integration.

https://paulwieland.github.io/ratgdo/

About ratgdo

ratgdo gives you local MQTT / ESPHome & dry contact control plus full status feedback for your Chamberlain/LiftMaster garage door opener. Security+ 2.0 uses an encrypted serial signal to control the door opener’s open/close and light functions, which makes it impossible to use Shelly One, Go Control, Insteon I/O linc or any other dry contact relay device to control the door. ratgdo supports virtually all residential garage door openers made by Chamberlain, and also supports other manufacturers through dry contact control.

ratgdo is a hardware control board that wires to your door opener’s terminals. The firmware allows you to control the door with MQTT or ESPHome over your local WiFi network which can be used to integrate directly with NodeRED or Home Assistant, eliminating the need for another “smart” device. WiFi is not required if you wish to only use the dry contact interface.

ratgdo is not a cloud device and does not require a subscription service. The firmware is open source and free for anyone to use.

For fun I installed HA last night in a docker on my unRAID server and I was surprised how easy it was to setup a bunch of devices that it found on my LAN, including Rokus, Sonos, Hue devices, SolarEdge inverter, C4 lights, etc.  It would take a while to properly configure, and I don't know how well it would do stuff like whole home audio, but it is pretty impressive.  It runs pretty fast on my server, and no hurdles to jump through for a DIYer.

Thanks

If you guys are going to update this driver is it possible to have a way to send data for variables to Control4?  Currently I can send commands like http://192.168.1.12:52690/OfficeLightOn, but is there any way you could have it accept URLs like http://192.168.1.12:52690/SetVariables?Temp1=26 where Temp1 is a variable that is existing in Control4?  Or something similar?

Or is there another way to do this currently?

What are you looking to do with the solar info in C4?  Turn on and off various things if solar power is being generated?