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Popcorn Hour vs Dune 3.0


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#1 tekdoc

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 11:54 AM

Has anyone had experience with the Popcorn Hour C-200 compared to the Dune 3.0 Prime? I was thinking about trying to integrate one into my system and wondered if there were any particular benefits of one over the other with regard to C4. Thanks.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 12:24 PM

dune doesn't have IP control yet. PCH is one way. Otherwise you must use IR and there's no way to select coverart from Control4 screens at this time. Otherwise the hardware and firmware is pretty similar.
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Posted 02 August 2010 - 11:50 PM

Just ordered a Dune 3.0 Base for testing. Will let you know how C4 IR control goes :)

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 11:58 AM

I just purchased a PCH C200, is there an IP driver for it? One way or not it would be nice to have, currently I have to use the RF remote that came with it. If there is a driver will my dealer be able to get it?

Thanks..

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 12:19 PM

Yes, there is a one-way IP driver that is "in progress". This is available in the Control4 dealer forums.
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Posted 03 August 2010 - 12:39 PM

...there's no way to select coverart from Control4 screens at this time...

OK, I have heard this too many times, but have never seen and thus understood what this means.

1) Is the coverart scanning process better, easier then whay you get with using directly say Dune with one of the coverart interfaces?
2) Would somehow C4 find coverart for X.mkv where it tries to guess the title from X? How accurate is if X is not perfect (has underscores, or suffixes like _director_cut, _disk_1, etc)
3) Is interface prettier then interface you can get directly from dune (poster + background + file/cast/director etc info)
4) does it recognize all the file types...or what file types it handles?

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 01:29 PM

Yes, there is a one-way IP driver that is "in progress". This is available in the Control4 dealer forums.

Thanks, I will ask my dealer to look into this for me.

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 01:42 PM

1) Is the coverart scanning process better, easier then whay you get with using directly say Dune with one of the coverart interfaces?

Depends. Control4 switched providers and it's pretty good at scanning my media. Dune can support mymovies and some cool wallpaper fanart and higher-resolution/larger cover art icons so it's preference I think.

2) Would somehow C4 find coverart for X.mkv where it tries to guess the title from X? How accurate is if X is not perfect (has underscores, or suffixes like _director_cut, _disk_1, etc)

Yes, Composer HE/Media edition allows you to scan your media. If it cant find it from the .iso file or VOB's file details, it will try to match on the file name. If it doesnt find a match, it will just stick it in there with the file name. You can manually search then to get the correct info from the database or type your own and paste your own coverat.

3) Is interface prettier then interface you can get directly from dune (poster + background + file/cast/director etc info)

IMO, no. It's pretty basic, and not very good on managing space as far as the TV view goes. Designed from ease of use on a touchscreen probably. I and other sometimes prefer the Niveus/Kalidescape/Dune My Movies type view, but to get that you have to "leave" the Control4 interface. The problem with doing so is having to learn another interface, which may or may not be a factor with significant others and children or guests.

4) does it recognize all the file types...or what file types it handles?

Control4 has a pretty good selection of filetypes that it scans automatically for. Additionally, in 2.0 you can "Add extensions, select devices to scan. When configuring media scanning manually or programmatically, you can add audio or video file extensions to look for in the scan and also select which media storage devices to scan."

Hope that helps.
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#9 Racky

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 02:41 PM

Thanks for detailed response!

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 01:08 PM

Just ordered a Dune 3.0 Base for testing. Will let you know how C4 IR control goes :)

Hi.....any IR update you can share?

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 01:13 PM

dune doesn't have IP control yet. PCH is one way. Otherwise you must use IR and there's no way to select coverart from Control4 screens at this time. Otherwise the hardware and firmware is pretty similar.

Hi Codeman......do I understand this correctly with IR control of the Dune you cannot choose coverart in the C4 GUI to review or play?
I have the EVA9150, obviously I can access and choose coverart or browse features with C4, not sure if I can do everything the same with IR control of the Dune?
Thx for your help!

#12 thecodeman

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 02:35 PM

With ir only you are not able to choose movies via cover art.
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#13 piratemonkey

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 02:40 PM

With ir only you are not able to choose movies via cover art.

Gotcha.....with the hope or goal in mind to keep the experience as simple as possible staying with the C4 GUI, is there anything out there that would work with the Dune yet or do you know of anything coming soon?

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 07:19 PM

Just ordered a Dune 3.0 Base for testing. Will let you know how C4 IR control goes :)

Hi.....any IR update you can share?

Sure. C4 IR control of my Dune goes in later this week.
Send me an email later next week if you decide to go with a Dune. I still think the C4 media player is a great option if 2 way cover art control is a priority. I'm not banking on 2way IP control of Dune anytime soon....On the other hand if this is not a priority and you want the added abilty to store and play files right at the player (rather than stream from a NAS) I'd take a look at the Dune :)

Edited by wappinghigh, 23 August 2010 - 07:19 AM.


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Posted 27 August 2010 - 08:20 PM

So, I've got a question. I understand why 2-way communication is needed to, for example, populate automatically from the Sony DVD player back to C4. But I wonder if/why 2-way is needed to just use the C4 UI for movies? Why can't I have my dealer build a 1-way driver using IR, and then manually add media using HE? What's the limitation here that forces this to be 2-way only?

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 08:22 PM

So, I've got a question. I understand why 2-way communication is needed to, for example, populate automatically from the Sony DVD player back to C4. But I wonder if/why 2-way is needed to just use the C4 UI for movies? Why can't I have my dealer build a 1-way driver using IR, and then manually add media using HE? What's the limitation here that forces this to be 2-way only?

You can use a 1-way driver and manually populate the database. No problem there. The limitation is no 2-way feedback to populate the DB.

Edited by henniae, 27 August 2010 - 08:23 PM.

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#17 DanH

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 08:50 PM

The limitation of IR (and media players) not allowing movies to be in the database is the fact that there is no IR codes for "play the file located here: \\192.168.1.210\examplefolder\example.IFO".

Two way control isn't required, IP control is required for medias players.

Make sense?
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#18 RyanE

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 01:38 AM

Actually, IP control is *not* required, i.e. it could be controlled just fine over Serial as well.

It would just be really unusual for these devices to have a serial connection and *not* to have IP control, since they require an IP connection to play networked media.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 08:07 AM

That's true, I didn't think about serial.
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#20 mitchelludwig

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 08:41 AM

So ultimately, what's being said is that players like the popcorn hour and dune don't support the serial or ip based control to select an item, correct? Basically, that control is only via selectable items using the remote? Or is it that these features are available, and drivers just haven't yet been developed?

As an aside, can a dealer build an IP driver, or is that the world of C4 only?




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