PP SS Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Can the HC500 be updated to the 2.9 firmware? I am seeing conflicting reports, so would like to nail this finally. If yes, why does it not show in update manager? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 What controller is your master controller in the project? Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP SS Posted December 29, 2016 Author Share Posted December 29, 2016 My HC500. I have only one. Does that make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 The answer is no then. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP SS Posted December 29, 2016 Author Share Posted December 29, 2016 Thanks! That's what I figured from my reading, but not sure till now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP SS Posted December 29, 2016 Author Share Posted December 29, 2016 25 minutes ago, msgreenf said: The answer is no then. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Can I ask you a different question? How do I get music on my USB drive to play directly on my HC500 so that audio is output on the HC500 analog audio out? I want to avoid a speaker point if possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funnyfarm299 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 You plug the USB stick in and scan for media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP SS Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 19 hours ago, funnyfarm299 said: You plug the USB stick in and scan for media. Of course, I did that. I want to play the HC500 to directly to play the file. No other media layer, etc. The HC500 will not output the audio directly, will it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 3 minutes ago, PP SS said: Of course, I did that. I want to play the HC500 to directly to play the file. No other media layer, etc. The HC500 will not output the audio directly, will it? it cannot, it has no amp. It can decode the audio and output it to an amp... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP SS Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 Finally! Thank you for the very exact answer I was looking for, for days ! Ok. So the next question is will the HC250 do it? Please reply. Awaiting eagerly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 26 minutes ago, PP SS said: Finally! Thank you for the very exact answer I was looking for, for days ! Ok. So the next question is will the HC250 do it? Please reply. Awaiting eagerly! no, you still need an amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP SS Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 3 minutes ago, msgreenf said: no, you still need an amp Ok, hold it............maybe I am reading your answer wrong. I have an amp - vintage analog one I am trying to re-purpose. No digital capabilities. (Of course, I have a Integra DTR 80.3 for real life stuff , but that's beside the point!) So will the HC500 output analog stream to RCA outputs on the HC500 itself ? The HC250? So I can feed an old analog amp via the amp's AUX. Or is the output only digital stream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 8 minutes ago, PP SS said: Ok, hold it............maybe I am reading your answer wrong. I have an amp - vintage analog one I am trying to re-purpose. No digital capabilities. (Of course, I have a Integra DTR 80.3 for real life stuff , but that's beside the point!) So will the HC500 output analog stream to RCA outputs on the HC500 itself ? The HC250? So I can feed an old analog amp via the amp's AUX. Or is the output only digital stream. the amp outputs on both are Analog. Connect to RCA inputs on your amp. Add amp driver, make virtual connections, hear audio. profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP SS Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 Thanks for your reply, really! But, hold on, I am just a little confused. Can I put any old amp driver I want? I did try adding an amp driver, but I am not sure how to bind the connections etc.......... because no audio comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 This is why dealers with training is required Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP SS Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 Yeah!! Dealer-shealers !! I can understand serious installations........but putzing around with the system should not reuire a professional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopedogg88 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Well in that case then you ought to be able to figure it out all by yourself and not need to post on the forums right? Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 21 minutes ago, PP SS said: Yeah!! Dealer-shealers !! I can understand serious installations........but putzing around with the system should not reuire a professional. you want help but then you mock people? yeah, that's gonna get you very far in life. 22 minutes ago, PP SS said: but putzing around with the system should not reuire a professional. what does that even mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP SS Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 OK. Relax guys ! Nobody is insulting you...........I dont see any insult thrown. Really? Insult.?? Geez, grwo up guys. A joke is a joke. See the smilies. You do not have to be so unnecessarily sensitive. But now since you want to argue, if I have to power on my TV with my own TV's remote, do I need to call a dealer, just because he set up the Control4? Sometimes things can be taken too far I want to connect an old receiver to my controller..........so I have to call Control4 and then my dealer, and then etc.. etc... Somewhere I need to feel I own the system and NOT Control4 or my dealer. Do you guys get that point? Its my unit, not the dealers, or Control4's. If I cannot have basic control over it, what freedom is that. I am not talking about making installations, wiring my house or anything like that. My dealer is on vacation for the holidays, so I wait for him to come back to hear music the way I want to ???? (Of course, my real life dealer is a nice guy and I like him). I should have the freedom to add very simple items to the unit when I need to. Is Control4 meant to a completely closed black hole system?? Those basic instructions and capabilities should be advertised and presented to users. Of course, I would not try to install wiring or major devices, switches etc. But double clicking on a program menu......come on ! Using the Composer is like a DirectSound graph for making virtual connections. Why does the basic use of Composer be a secret? Again its my system, its my unit, its my controller. What then am I buying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP SS Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 But I still appreciate you stepping to try and help. And I do still feel the way I do about the whole strict control over Control4. Happy New Year ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 3 hours ago, PP SS said: I should have the freedom to add very simple items to the unit when I need to. No, the point is you do NOT have to have that freedom in a closed control system you chose to use. You ARE free NOT to use any closed control system and ... as you say ... "putz around" to your heart's content. 3 hours ago, PP SS said: What then am I buying? A control system intended to be set up and maintained by a dealer. No more, no less. 3 hours ago, PP SS said: Why does the basic use of Composer be a secret? Nothing secret - just closed and not available outside registered dealer. No offense meant - but if you cannot grasp what a controller even DOES (ie output analogue audio out of...outputs marked audio out), I'd stick with your dealer doing it. You're free to have an opinion about what would be better/what you would like better - but in the end, you bought into it. Hyperbolas about the how why and what (nots) doesn't change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP SS Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 2 hours ago, Cyknight said: No offense meant - but if you cannot grasp what a controller even DOES (ie output analogue audio out of...outputs marked audio out), I'd stick with your dealer doing it. Of course offense meant....c'mon. That is stupid supposition about my knowledge of this stuff, considering I am even posting here. The problem is that the presence of an analog audio out does not mean that the controller magically outputs audio without certain programming....... If you read my issue, I am trying to re-purpose a vintage (1980s) purely analog amplifier, without even serial or IR control option. I already have a certified Integra DTR 80.3 amp running fine, but the vintage one is not up Control4 alley, and assuming there is this easy magical output to the analog outs, the amp should receive audio on Its auxiliary input. But nope, no sound there. Why? I can assure you the virtual connections are all correct, but there is no audio that the amp receives on the analog out. Clearly, this Is not so slap-dash easy steps as made out to be by the posts here. The key is that the amp does not have a "driver" derived from the Control universe..........of course, that may be obvious, but spoofing the amp with a generic driver also does not help. So if there Is no hardware control link the controller does not output to the ports even If the "virtual" connections are made. To simply say it is still easy as 1-2-3...with out understanding the issue puts little trust in those dealers. They are just as clueless as customers.?That's not good, right? If the analog out was auto enabled through composer - where is the audio? To me the answer lies in the absence of a hardware control link on my amp - serial or IR. Logically it should not matter, but since nobody has an answer, maybe even dealers don't completely understand what Control4 has done? As far as opinions are concerned, a large number of customers I know just give up in between after having the system for a few months because the closed system is too much of a hassle. Its not good for dealers either, and I don't want to be such a customer either who has to throw In the towel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Matthews Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 When you go to the room properties in the connections tab what are your audio end points and audio volume bindings set to for the room you want the audio out of the controller to play in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 4 hours ago, PP SS said: with out understanding the issue puts little trust in those dealers. They are just as clueless as customers.?That's not good, right? not sure where you come up with these assumptions 4 hours ago, PP SS said: The key is that the amp does not have a "driver" derived from the Control universe.......... generic driver will work fine if the amp is 1)one and to correct input and 2) correct virtual connections in control4. 4 hours ago, PP SS said: Clearly, this Is not so slap-dash easy steps as made out to be by the posts here if you know what you are doing, this is basic stuff. 4 hours ago, PP SS said: As far as opinions are concerned, a large number of customers I know just give up in between after having the system for a few months because the closed system is too much of a hassle. Its not good for dealers either, and I don't want to be such a customer either who has to throw In the towel. this isn't the thread to debate that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d1amund Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 If you're sure everything is configured correctly on the C4 side, then prove it...take a toner wand to the end of the analogue cable that goes to your vintage amp while you are playing audio from the controller to that zone...do you have audio? If yes, everything is setup correctly and your amp is to blame. If no, you don't have C4 configured properly or have a bad cable. If this vintage amp is just a basic dumb amp with no option for control then C4 need not know it exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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