LollerAgent Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Here is the scenario: Master bedroom has a TV that has a local active soundbar. Source is always Roku Ultra. Master bedroom also has in-ceiling speakers that are a WHA zone (Triad matrix). When watching normal TV, we prefer the sound is output from the local active soundbar (not the in-ceiling speakers). But, for some content (Peloton classes, etc), we want the audio to be sent back through the matrix and be output through the in-ceiling speakers. I know that at minimum I need a DAC (output from the Roku's optical out), and a balun (location has a spare CAT6). Will probably use something like this. But, what is the best way to switch between soundbar audio and WHA audio for the Roku source? Will I need a separate room with a separate audio endpoint? Is there a cleaner way to handle this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAV Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Set video audio endpoint to soundbar. Set music audio endpoint to ceiling. Duplicate Roku, one shown in video, other shown in audio. Set IPs the same (or use IR for the other, haven't acutally tried if it'll let you select same IP, but I think it will) Pick watch Roku, TV etc all goes as planned. Turn Vol all the way down. Pick listen Roku Alias, done. To get back to just TV sound, you'll need to turn the room off, or have a dummy audio source that's got no output to select before going back to watch and a selection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LollerAgent Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 28 minutes ago, RAV said: Duplicate Roku, one shown in video, other shown in audio. Set IPs the same (or use IR for the other, haven't acutally tried if it'll let you select same IP, but I think it will) Pick watch Roku, TV etc all goes as planned. Turn Vol all the way down. Pick listen Roku Alias, done. To get back to just TV sound, you'll need to turn the room off, or have a dummy audio source that's got no output to select before going back to watch and a selection. Ahh - so the room just has two Roku devices, one for "watch" one for "listen." Got it, I'll give this a try. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAV Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 hour ago, LollerAgent said: Ahh - so the room just has two Roku devices, one for "watch" one for "listen." Got it, I'll give this a try. Thanks! You understood I meant duplicate in Composer, not that you need 2 physical Rokus? I mean you could have 2 units, pull audio at the rack, and then move video to TV over HDbaseT. But I was explaining to use the one at the TV, send the audio back to the rack however you wish. And in composer setup 2 drivers for the same physical unit so that there are different paths created. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LollerAgent Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 hour ago, RAV said: You understood I meant duplicate in Composer, not that you need 2 physical Rokus? Yes - I understand that.. sorry I meant "logical" devices not "physical" devices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LollerAgent Posted February 16, 2022 Author Share Posted February 16, 2022 On 2/1/2022 at 10:02 AM, RAV said: Set video audio endpoint to soundbar. Set music audio endpoint to ceiling. Duplicate Roku, one shown in video, other shown in audio. Set IPs the same (or use IR for the other, haven't acutally tried if it'll let you select same IP, but I think it will) Pick watch Roku, TV etc all goes as planned. Turn Vol all the way down. Pick listen Roku Alias, done. To get back to just TV sound, you'll need to turn the room off, or have a dummy audio source that's got no output to select before going back to watch and a selection. Having a bit of trouble getting this working. In this room, the primary video audio/volume endpoint is the TV it's self (no soundbar). The audio endpoint is the audio matrix. A second Roku device was added ("Roku Listen"), but I don't see this as an option for "Listen" in the room's navigator options. I can't connect the AVOUT output on the "Roku Listen" device to my TV's HDMI since this connection already exists on the "Roku Watch" primary Roku. For what it's worth, to get TV audio back into the matrix, I'm using the TV's optical output directly into an optical input on the matrix. Am I missing a connection somewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAV Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Not sure why you didn't take the audio from the Roku to the matrix and used the output of the TV instead? You need an audio connection from the Listen Roku directly to the matrix so there's a valid path and it'll show in Listen. Using the TV out, you're monkey wrenching in another volume control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LollerAgent Posted February 16, 2022 Author Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 minute ago, RAV said: Not sure why you didn't take the audio from the Roku to the matrix and used the output of the TV instead? You need an audio connection from the Listen Roku directly to the matrix so there's a valid path and it'll show in Listen. Now you could use an AV swtich in composer to connect the TV's optical and the Roku's logical optical output to the same port on the audio matrix, doesn't need to be real. Audio Authotiy AVAtrix has optical switching setup. Well - that was my original plan, but the Roku Ultra doesn't actually have an optical out (since the 2016 model). Only HDMI. Because of that, it sounds like the original plan won't be possible, since I can't connect the audio output (AV OUT) of the Roku to two different things (TV HDMI and audio matrix). I'll take a look at the AV Switch - this is a driver? Thanks for the help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LollerAgent Posted February 16, 2022 Author Share Posted February 16, 2022 Separate rooms may be the easiest/cleanest option here after all: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAV Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 You would need an HDMI audio extractor box to get the toslink for the Roku. Does you TV actually work the way you have it now? Typically you don't get a fixed level optical output and speakers variable at the same time. Two rooms isn't going to solve either if your TV doesn't do variable speaker volume and fixed optical at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LollerAgent Posted February 16, 2022 Author Share Posted February 16, 2022 16 minutes ago, RAV said: You would need an HDMI audio extractor box to get the toslink for the Roku. Does you TV actually work the way you have it now? Typically you don't get a fixed level optical output and speakers variable at the same time. Two rooms isn't going to solve either if your TV doesn't do variable speaker volume and fixed optical at the same time. Yep - it does work (I think). I was sort of surprised. It's a Samsung 2021 Frame. I changed the video and video/volume endpoints to the matrix last night and was able to control the volume through the matrix/speakers just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAV Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Surprised. So, then put in that switcher driver I noted. Connect the TV's output and the Roku output (even though the box doesn't have one) to inputs 1 and 2, then it's output to your matrix. That will provide Control4 with a listen path around the TV, and you should be able to setup like we started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LollerAgent Posted February 19, 2022 Author Share Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) Just wanted to follow up and let the thread know that this worked perfectly! Here is what I did: Added a second "Roku" device to the room ("Roku Listen") Added the "Audio Authority AVAtrix" AVSwitch driver to the room Connected the TV's optical audio output to INPUT1 on the AVSwitch Connected the "Roku Listen" optical output (logical) to INPUT2 on the AVSwitch Connected the AVSwitch OUTPUT to an input on the Triad Matrix Under normal circumstances, when I choose "Watch->Hulu," sound comes out of the TV speakers as intended. If I want the TV sound to come out of the in-ceiling speakers instead (Triad zone), I choose "Listen->Roku Listen." To go back to TV sound, I simply select "Watch->Hulu" again. Still playing with a way to turn down the TV volume when "Listen->Roku Listen" is selected. Thanks for the help, Rav! Edited February 19, 2022 by LollerAgent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mujtaba.khokhar Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 3 hours ago, LollerAgent said: Still playing with a way to turn down the TV volume when "Listen->Roku Listen" is Go to advance programming. when audio source is changed if audio source is Roku Listen set volume of tv to 0 Should work for you. Neo1738 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LollerAgent Posted February 20, 2022 Author Share Posted February 20, 2022 15 hours ago, mujtaba.khokhar said: Go to advance programming. when audio source is changed if audio source is Roku Listen set volume of tv to 0 Should work for you. This worked for me: I initially tried to use "PLAYING_AUDIO_DEVICE," but couldn't get the programming to trigger. Thanks for the tip! mujtaba.khokhar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mujtaba.khokhar Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 3 hours ago, LollerAgent said: This worked for me: I initially tried to use "PLAYING_AUDIO_DEVICE," but couldn't get the programming to trigger. Thanks for the tip! Awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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