Denon X1700H Zone 2 out to Triad AMS

[loganm00]

I'm struggling with something that I'm 90% sure I've made to work on another project. 

I have a Core3 controller, Denon AVR-X1700H, and a Triad AMS & AMP. I have a Roku Ultra behind the AVR where 100% of the TV video/audio is originating from. I want the Roku audio to be shareable to other rooms through the Triad Matrix. 

I have zone 2 stereo output (analog RCA) out to the Triad AMS (analog in) and made the connection in composer. I have the audio settings on the Roku set to stereo. 

I've completed the Denon setup process but nothing is zone 2 related. I've gone through the GUI and can't seem to find anything relevant. 

In Composer-Connections I do see a Room Control- Room Selection (audio volume and selection) for Zone2 Output that is unbound at this point but I don't believe I've ever messed with this before.

Is this possible with the equipment I have? 
 

[Topfox]

100% possible. I have this same AVR and am using Zone 2 to replicate audio through my triad matrix to two adjacent rooms that have visibiliy to the TV that I look to replicate what Im watching to.  For example one of the adjacent rooms is my kitchen, so if Im eating in there and watching TV I replicate the sound to the kitchen.

Is that what you are basically trying to do? 

[Topfox]

In the AVR connections I don't have anything but the Inputs for all the sources configured and then the HDMI output to the TV and then of course the Standard Room Selection Output stuff for the room the TV is in.  Nothing configured for Zone2.

For my Triad Matrix I have the input set to the TV ->Output in connections.  Physical connection is to the Zone2 output on the AVR

In my adjacent rooms I just make TV for that central room available in Navigator and that is what I select in Listen to in other rooms.

 

On the AVR I have the Zone2 on every time the AVR turns on.  You can verify this by looking for the Zone2 indicator on the screen.  If I remember right you just need to turn it on from the AVR face buttons or button on the AVR remote, and it will just stay on through power cycles.  I don't think you need to make your sources Stereo in this configuration as if memory serves me correctly Zone2 will only output Stereo. I could be misremembering on that part though Stereo part though.  So Id try it with it being set to stereo first and once all working try it without stereo being set.

 

[loganm00]

Yes - that is what I'm trying to do.

Can you tell me more about this:

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For my Triad Matrix I have the input set to the TV ->Output in connections. 

I have AVR zone 2 out to Triad Matrix analog in in connections. There's nothing from the TV to the matrix.

Edit - also, when I go to share TV audio from the living room, no other room options are available if that helps. 

[lippavisual]

Add path setter driver and force it.

[Topfox]

1 hour ago, loganm00 said:

Yes - that is what I'm trying to do.

Can you tell me more about this:

I have AVR zone 2 out to Triad Matrix analog in in connections. There's nothing from the TV to the matrix.

Edit - also, when I go to share TV audio from the living room, no other room options are available if that helps. 

Yeah I don’t have a physical connection from the TV to the Triad. Just the zone 2 analog to the triad analog. I meant in the connections in composer for the Triad analog port you have zone 2 connected to, set that connection to your TV. Once you do that you should see that TV as a source under listen for all your rooms being run by that matrix. 

[loganm00]

So I should go TV optical out -> path setter -> triad ams (analog IN 1)?

Don't I need the composer connection for zone 2 -> triad ams (analog IN 1)? 

[Topfox]

2 hours ago, loganm00 said:

So I should go TV optical out -> path setter -> triad ams (analog IN 1)?

Don't I need the composer connection for zone 2 -> triad ams (analog IN 1)? 

Here is screenshots of mine. Physical connections are

AVR HDMI output to TV HDMI Input

Zone 2 analog RCA connections to Triad Matrix Analog 1 input

 

Thats it.

 

 

[loganm00]

OK, so looking at this, you're telling Control4 that you have a TV to AMS physical connection, but you really have an AVR to AMS connection. You don't have Zone 2 out to AVR in composer but you do physically. And then zone 2 on the AVR is set to always on?

[Topfox]

17 minutes ago, loganm00 said:

OK, so looking at this, you're telling Control4 that you have a TV to AMS physical connection, but you really have an AVR to AMS connection. You don't have Zone 2 out to AVR in composer but you do physically. And then zone 2 on the AVR is set to always on?

Yep. The AVR itself doesn’t stay on all the time, but currently have it set that when the AVR does come on the Zone2 is also always on 

[loganm00]

Ok, it's working - I'll detail what I did for the next person who needs it because I'm not 100% what was the thing. 

I did what Topfox suggested here, in composer TV optical out to pathfinder to analog IN (to the port where it's actually coming from AVR zone 2 out).

I also made programming that when the AVR turns on Zone 2 does as well. 

Finally, based on the recommendation of a Control4 tech, in Denon settings (general - zone 2) I changed the volume from VARIABLE to FIXED with a volume level at 90. 

Side note, I changed the Roku sound output back to auto (not stereo) and it still works. 

[Topfox]

4 hours ago, loganm00 said:

Ok, it's working - I'll detail what I did for the next person who needs it because I'm not 100% what was the thing. 

I did what Topfox suggested here, in composer TV optical out to pathfinder to analog IN (to the port where it's actually coming from AVR zone 2 out).

I also made programming that when the AVR turns on Zone 2 does as well. 

Finally, based on the recommendation of a Control4 tech, in Denon settings (general - zone 2) I changed the volume from VARIABLE to FIXED with a volume level at 90. 

Side note, I changed the Roku sound output back to auto (not stereo) and it still works. 

Cool glad it’s working! Note in my setup I didn’t do anything with pathfinder though. 
 

Yeah that makes sense the fixed volume. As you will be controlling volume from the matrix vs the AVR.