Please review my impending install

[chinense]

I have read with great interest (and respect) the various postings from C4 experts and I felt it would be quite useful to solicit opinions on a configuration chosen for me for a new home. I have included all components as well.

Thank you in advance for anyone that took the time to respond!

Here is what my dealer has recommended:

BOWERS & WILKINS CCM664SR 2 WAY DUAL CHANNEL IN CEILING SYSTEM BLACK INNER SURFACE (master

bathroom)

2

2 BOWER & WILKINS CCM664 2-WAY IN-CEILING SYSTEM SPEAKERS EACH (master bedroom)

4 BOWER & WILKINS CCM665 2-WAY IN-CEILING SYSTEM SPEAKERS EACH (office, exercise)

1 EPISODE CUB 100 WATT 8" POWERED SUBWOOFER (BLACK) (master bedroom)

2 BOWERS & WILKINS CWM6260 IN-WALL 2-WAY 1" SOFT DOME TWEETER (EACH) living room

1 BOWERS & WILKINS CCM664SR 2 WAY DUAL CHANNEL IN CEILING SYSTEM (dining room)

2 BOWERS & WILKINS WM-4 2-WAY WEATHERPROOF INDOOR/OUTDOOR PORTED MONITOR (EACH) BLACK

1 CONTROL4 BDP-CX7000ES SONY BLU-RAY MEGA CHANGER (output to video matrix)

***FAMILY ROOM 5.1 SPEAKER TRIM-OUT***

2 BOWER & WILKINS CCM664 2-WAY IN-CEILING SYSTEM SPEAKERS EACH

1 MIRAGE UNI-THEATER LEFT/CENTER/RIGHT SPEAKER UNIT HARDWARE INCLUDED, BLACK EACH

1 BOWERS & WILKINS ASW610 XP

1 Includes professional installation per scope

***MAIN AV RACK UNDER STEPS***

1 CONTROL4 -4SIGHT 1 YR. 4SIGHT SUBSCRIPTION KIT

1 CONTROL4 CHE-XXX COMPOSER HOME EDITION XXX

1 CONTROL4 C4-HC300-E-B HOME CONTROLLER HC-300 (family room controller-video out to Rotel Receiver)

1 CONTROL4 2URMK-B HC-300 RACK MOUNT KIT, ALLOWS HC-300 TO BE PLACED IN A STANDARD 19" RACK

1 BINARY B5-COMP-2 B5-SERIES COMPONENT VIDEO CABLE)

2 BINARY B5-AUD-2 ANALOG AUDIO CABLE (2 METER)

1 CONTROL4-IPDKTT-E-B DOCK FOR IPOD

1 CONTROL4 16S2-E-B AUDIO MATRIX SWITCH -16-V2

8 ULTRALINK C2-0.5M CHALLENGER 2 AUDIO INTERCONNECT CABLE

1 CONTROL4 16AMP3-B MULTI CHANNEL AMPLIFIER-V3 (demo)

2 CONTROL4 4URMK-B 4U RACK MOUNT KIT W/VENTILATION

1 CONTROL4 TUN2-E-B MULTI-TUNER V2

1 CONTROL4 3URMK-B 3U RACK MOUNT KIT W/VENTILATION

2 BINARY B5-AUD-2 ANALOG AUDIO CABLE (2 METER)

1 CONTROL4 BDP-CX7000ES SONY BLU-RAY MEGA CHANGER (output to video matrix)

1 BINARY B5-HDMI-2 B5 SERIES 1.3B CERTIFIED PREMIUM HD CABLE

1 BINARY B5-AUD-2 ANALOG AUDIO CABLE (2 METER)

1 BINARY B5-DIGCOAX-2 DIGITAL COAX CABLE (to rotel receiver)

MIDDLE ATLANTIC RSH4A6X 6 RACK SPACE CUSTOM SHELF specify unit to mount. FOR SONY BLU-RAY

CHANGER

1

3 CLIENT SUPPLIED EQUIPMENT ***TIME WARNER HD DVR CABLE BOXES***

3 BINARY B5-HDMI-2 B5 SERIES 1.3B CERTIFIED PREMIUM HD CABLE

3 BINARY B5-AUD-1 ANALOG AUDIO CABLE (1 METER)

3 BINARY B5-AUD-2 ANALOG AUDIO CABLE (2 METER)

3 MIDDLE ATLANTIC RSH4A3S CPUS RACKS FOR TIME WARNER BOXES

1 CLIENT SUPPLIED EQUIPMENT *** ROTEL RSX-1057***

1 MIDDLE ATLANTIC RSH4A2S CUSTOM RACK SHELF 2X5 SPACE (ROTEL RSX-1057)

1 BINARY B-200-HDMATRIX 4X4 MATRIX SWITCH, HDMI VERSION W/REMOTE CONTROL

4 BINARY B5-HDMI-1 (1METER)

1 EPISODE EP-400-UPS-8HTR-1000 EPISODE RACK MOUNTABLE UPS AVR

1 EP-200-9HTR Episode Power Home Theater Rack - 9 Outlets - 5400 Joules - 80db EMI/RFI - 15 AMP (Black)

1 EPISODE 400-UPS-8PS-600 8 OUTLET STAND ALONE UPS W/RJ45/RJ11 600VA-340W 1030J

1 STRONG SK-RACK-42U METAL SKELETON RACK W/LOW PROFILE CASTERS

1 STRONG SM-SCREWS METAL RACK SCREWS (BLACK) 200 PER JAR

1 OPEN HOUSE H336 14X36 STRUCTURED WIRING HUB ENCLOSURE

1 OPEN HOUSE HC36A COVER FOR H336

1 OPEN HOUSE H611 TELEPHONE SURGE HUB WITH LED INDICATOR FOR 4 LINES

1 OPEN HOUSE H291 4 OUTLET POWER MODULE

1 OPEN HOUSE H318 14X18 STRUCTURED WIRING HUB ENCLOSURE

1 OPEN HOUSE HC18A COVER FOR H218A

2 8-WAY CABLE SPLITTER

2 3-WAY CABLE SPLITTER

1 NETGEAR GS724TP 10/100/1000 MBS SMART POE SWITCH

NETGEAR WNDR3700 100NAS IEEE 802.11N DRAFT 2.0 RANGEMAX SIMULTANEOUS DUAL BAND WIRELESS

GIGABIT ROUTER (PREMIUM EDITION)

1

1 NETGEAR WN802T-200 WIRLESS-N-ACCESS POINT

***MASTER SUITE TELEVISION AND CONTROL SYSTEM***

CLIENT SUPPLIED EQUIPMENT ***TELEVISION AND LIFT WILL BE PRICED ON A SEPARATE ESTIMATE AND

WILL BE ADDED AT A LATER DATE***

1

1 BINARY HD-2CAT-1080P 130 HDMI OVER CAT5e/CAT6 EXTENDER

1 SAMSUNG BD-C6500 BLU-RAY PLAYER (local to master bedroom only with audio to matrix switch)

1 EPISODE 400-UPS-8PS-825 8 OUTLET STAND ALONE AVR UPS

1 CONTROL4 HC200NR-E-B HOME CONTROLLER HC-200 (video to television audio to matrix switch)

1 BINARY B5-COMP-3 COMPONENT VIDEO CABLE

1 CONTROL4 TSM7-G-B 7" PORTABLE, WIFI TOUCH SCREEN

NETGEAR GS605 10/100/1000 MBPS DESKTOP SWITCH 5 X AUTO SPEED SENSING UTP PORTS 4000 MAC

ADDRESS TABLE 128KB BUFFER MEMORY

1

2 BINARY B5-HDMI-3 1.3 CERTIFIED SIMPLY HD HDMI CABLE

4 ULTRALINK C2-0.5M CHALLENGER 2 AUDIO INTERCONNECT CABLE

8 LEVITON 40830-BAE SNAP IN RCA INSERT - BLACK

***SON'S ROOM***

1 CLIENT SUPPLIED EQUIPMENT ***46' FLAT PANEL TELEVISION PLEASE PROVIDE MODEL NUMBER***

1 CONTROL4 HC200NR-E-B HOME CONTROLLER HC-200

1 BINARY B5-COMP-1 COMPONENT VIDEO CABLE

1 BINARY HD-2CAT-1080P 130 HDMI OVER CAT5e/CAT6 EXTENDER

NETGEAR GS605 10/100/1000 MBPS DESKTOP SWITCH 5 X AUTO SPEED SENSING UTP PORTS 4000 MAC

ADDRESS TABLE 128KB BUFFER MEMORY

1

2 CLIENT SUPPLIED EQUIPMENT ***B&W CM1 BOOKSHELF SPEAKERS***

1 CLIENT SUPPLIED EQUIPMENT ***B&W POWERED SUBWOOFER***

1 CONTROL4-IPDKTT-E-B DOCK FOR IPOD

1 CONTROL4 SR250-Z-B SYSTEM REMOTE CONTROL SR-250

2 ULTRALINK C2-0.5M CHALLENGER 2 AUDIO INTERCONNECT CABLE

4 LEVITON 40830-BBE SNAP IN RCA CONNECT, BLACK STRIPE BROWN

1 MISC. WIRES & CABLE MATERIALS

***MEDIA ROOM 7.1***

1 CLIENT SUPPLIED EQUIPMENT ***flat pane television please provide model number***

1 SANUS CFV69e 69" VIDEO LOWBOY, 3 BAYS, ESPRESSO

1 BINARY HD-2CAT-1080P 130 HDMI OVER CAT5e/CAT6 EXTENDER (from matrix switcher)

1 CONTROL4 HC200NR-E-B HOME CONTROLLER HC-200

1 CONTROL4 SR250-Z-B SYSTEM REMOTE CONTROL SR-250

1 CONTROL4-IPDKTT-E-B DOCK FOR IPOD (local to theater room)

2 BINARY B5-COMP-2 B5-SERIES COMPONENT VIDEO CABLE)

1 BINARY B5-AUD-2 ANALOG AUDIO CABLE (2 METER)

1 CLIENT SUPPLIED EQUIPMENT ***ONKYO TX-SR-705 7.1 HOME THEATER RECEIVER***

1 CLIENT SUPPLIED EQUIPMENT *** GAME SYSTEM MODELS PENDING***

1 SAMSUNG BD-C6500 BLU-RAY PLAYER (local to theater room)

1 BINARY B5-HDMI-2 B5 SERIES 1.3B CERTIFIED PREMIUM HD CABLE

1 STRONG D3-F-BLK LARGE FIXED MOUNT FOR 36-60" FLAT PANEL TV'S (BLACK)

1 BINARY B5-HDMI-5 1.3 CERTIFIED SIMPLAYHD HDMI CABLE

1 Category 5 data wiring finished with modular snap-in jack

BOWERS & WILKINS 684 2 1/2 WAY VENTED BOX SYSTEM, 6.5" KEVLAR BASS, 6.5" KEVLAR BASS/MIDRANGE

1' METAL DOME BLACK ASH (DEMO'S)

2

BOWERS & WILKINS HTM62 2-WAY VENTED BOX SYSTEM, 2X5 KEVLAR BASS/MID. 1' METAL DOME

TWEETER HTM62B BLACK ASH

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BOWERS & WILKINS CCM664SR 2 WAY DUAL CHANNEL IN CEILING SYSTEM WHITE OUTER BEZEL

PAINTABLE BLACK INNER SURFACE

2

2 BOWER & WILKINS CCM664 2-WAY IN-CEILING SYSTEM SPEAKERS EACH

1 BOWERS & WILKINS ASW610 XP POWERED SUBWOOFER

1 EPISODE 400-UPS-8PS-825 8 OUTLET STAND ALONE AVR UPS

NETGEAR GS605 10/100/1000 MBPS DESKTOP SWITCH 5 X AUTO SPEED SENSING UTP PORTS 4000 MAC

ADDRESS TABLE 128KB BUFFER MEMORY

1

1 MISC. WIRES & CABLE MANAGEMENT

***BASEMENT OFFICE***

1 CLIENT SUPPLIED EQUIPMENT ***FLAT PANEL TELEVISION***

STRONG SM-CS-ART1-M CONTRACTOR SERIES UNIVERSAL SINGLE ARM ARTICULATION MOUNT FOR

26"-47" MEDIUM DISPLAYS

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1 CONTROL4 SR250-Z-B SYSTEM REMOTE CONTROL SR-250

[wappinghigh]

Welcome. You'll love it! Wow B&W speakers. Unreal.

My only comment is where is the HC1000 in all this?

[NkySpike65]

If I remember right when you purchase the COMPOSER HOME EDITION, it automatically comes with a 1 YR. 4SIGHT SUBSCRIPTION... So you can hold off on getting the separate ( a second ) 4sight subscription kit for right now....

[ILoveC4]

Did he leave off an amp? You've got an audio video matrix and two amp rack mint kits, but only one amp...just something I observed.

Also, nkyspike is right about the 4sight subscription being included with Composer.

Based on the quote this guy seems very detail oriented, which is good.

[henniae]

Did he leave off an amp? You've got an audio video matrix and two amp rack mint kits, but only one amp...just something I observed.

Also, nkyspike is right about the 4sight subscription being included with Composer.

Based on the quote this guy seems very detail oriented, which is good.

1 CONTROL4 16AMP3-B MULTI CHANNEL AMPLIFIER-V3 (demo)

Nice system. I really like B&W speakers and have installed a lot of them.

[xc420]

A few things.

1. No HC1000 for the amount of money invested in this system, I would definately get one.

2. Premade cables. I hate premade cables = messy install.

3. Ipod docks have problems whether C4 or your dealer want to admit it. Maybe this was fixed reciently but I doubt it.

4. This could just be the way it's written up but C4-HC300-E-B is the older slower controllers and C4-HC300C-E-B are the newer ones with a slightly faster processor for 2.0+

5. As already mention ComposerHE and foresight should come bundled together (could just be how the list is itemized, I'm not implying anything.)

6. BOWER & WILKINS are great speakers but $$$$.

[ILoveC4]

Did he leave off an amp? You've got an audio video matrix and two amp rack mint kits' date=' but only one amp...just something I observed.

Also, nkyspike is right about the 4sight subscription being included with Composer.

Based on the quote this guy seems very detail oriented, which is good.[/quote']

1 CONTROL4 16AMP3-B MULTI CHANNEL AMPLIFIER-V3 (demo)

Nice system. I really like B&W speakers and have installed a lot of them.

I saw one, I was just curious if he was supposed to have two considering he had two rack mount kits and the audio matrix.

[stash]

I would trade the 7" wireless touchscreen for an SR-250 remote and would agree with the other on skipping the iPod docks. Search the forums and you will see issues others have had with these two products. I also personally believe the 7" wireless touchscreen is a terrible value. You would be much better off buying an iPad and installing the control4 app on that device.

Speaking of Apple products, I see lots of iPod docks, but no navigator software for the iPod/iPad??? Thinking you might want to investigate that option. Also, no lighting? IMHO the lighting is a GREAT aspect to having control4.

Make sure you get the most up to date hardware that control4 released for the HC-300 and HC-200.

[ILoveC4]

stash, while I agree that the 7" wireless touchpanels are overpriced, I have an iPad, two 7" WiFi units and three 10.5" WiFi units. I personally use the WiFi units all the time - basically anytime I am listening to music. I HATE having to unlock the iPad, launch the app, wait for it to connect, etc...

The iPad is a better value all things considered, but if you're after what is the easiest and most convenient to use in your home the C4 touchpanels win hands down in my book.

[panamagixxer]

I have touchpanels in some rooms and never use them. We use the 250 remotes 95% of the time and my iPad when searching for songs on Rhapsody. If I had to do it again, I would not have put in the in-wall touchpanels.

[mercedes]

I have touchpanels in some rooms and never use them. We use the 250 remotes 95% of the time and my iPad when searching for songs on Rhapsody. If I had to do it again, I would not have put in the in-wall touchpanels.

+1 I have an inwall and a 7" portable. Hardley ever use them. The in wall one looks cool when people come over. SR250 remotes (14) and the IPad.

[jwhitaker@revit]

I think there are 2 of the amp rack mounts and only 1 amp because the other mount is for the C4 audio matrix.

Nice set up! Can come "Hang Out"?

[takitezsdc]

YOU HAVE TO GET HC-1000!!!! DONT even think about NOT>>>>>>>>>>>>> I promise you will be sorry with that system, if you dont.

I also have a SR-250 remote in each main room. ( master bedroom , family room , kitchen ect.) Not needed in kids room.................just put in a 6 button keypad in each kids room or a room that will not be used much.

I also use my ipad and Iphone BUT the SR-250 is MUCH easier to use and you will love them!! Trust us........we are end users! /smile

[thinslis]

SR-250s are nice. I really like them. However my wife really likes the iPhone app because it gives her the graphical navagation in a portable format where the SR-250 is just a LED text menu and programable buttons.

[ILoveC4]

I use the SR250's the most...but I really like the touchpanels.

[Rsmolo]

2. Premade cables. I hate premade cables = messy install.

not always........http://www.c4forums.com/viewtopic.php?id=5709

you can make mess with custom cables as well, it all depends on installer.

[chinense]

You guys are awesome! Thanks for the posts, i am considering all of the feedback. A few things i should add:

1. I have 3 C4 thermostats

2. 20 switches and 12 dimmers to work with, may add more; also may add some of the LOZ-5S1-W Wireless Outlet Switches as they look useful.

3. A surveillance system that is still up in the air, so far I have a Panasonic BB-H735 (will use it with an IR kit to help brighten porch at night) and I am considering an axis 241q or 241qa or the axis 7404 encoder/server, plus 2 other fixed IR cameras that will be up high (dealer has recommended 2 GE Truvision domes that I am not feeling the love with) and a NEC DSX40 phone system with door stations. For some reason the dealer feels i do not need to take advantage of the 2 way audio capabilities of the Panasonic porch camera, which confuses me.

4. I have multiple Ipad's, Iphones and Ipods but I read with great interest the comments about the SR250 remotes and whether i should invest in panels. I also have assumed that the ipod dock issues would be resolved but maybe i am missing the point of simply not getting them at all. Any more clarification on whether i should avoid them as a whole is appreciated. Also, the navigator software I do not know much about; yet another education coming my way.

5. My question to my dealer about not having an HC1000 was apparently a good question given the posts I have read. Is everyone recommending i have an HC1000 in addition to the controllers I am getting versus replacing one of them?

Once I have a system installed and operating, anyone with interest (and maybe driving or drinking distance) is welcome to come to one of my parties; my cooking talent is far superior to my automation acumen.

Interestingly, I did not mention how many hours of programming i am told I need for this system, and based on some of the "friendly banter" I have read between dealers and members, i am not sure if this holy grail should be broached? But i do feel it is an interesting variable.

Again, i genuinely appreciate the time, effort and ideas, forum members have shared with me.

Thank you!

[wappinghigh]

You've got a big system here. The HC1000 doesn't have any IR or 'control' features. What it does is run the system a whole lot faster, and a lot of forum guys will probably chirp in here and say you really might need one of these. So it is only used to run the 'brains' of the system. You can add it later, and get the dealer to move the primary navigator software off one of the other controllers onto it, pretty easily. This is what I did and it certainly quickened things up, and my system is much smaller than yours. I guess you could try what it's like without it, with a plan to add later if you want. But plan now, because it runs a bit loud(fan noise) so is best locked away somewhere. It really needs to be hardwired into your network, and being at the heart of the system it is best on a UPS backup. BTW you probably need to consider UPS's for your main zones. I'd have one in the main family room where the AV gear is as well....

The SR250 is the key to you enjoying a C4 system IMHO, I wouldnt squib on these.(Im saying this having an itouch and ipad controller as well) Enjoy... its going to be a great setup

[henniae]

I would highly recommend you add an HC-1000 to this system, based on what you have described as your current and future system plans.

[xc420]

Interestingly, I did not mention how many hours of programming i am told I need for this system, and based on some of the "friendly banter" I have read between dealers and members, i am not sure if this holy grail should be broached? But i do feel it is an interesting variable.

3-4 hours MAX and that's very very generous :cool:. Of course if you do a lot of customizations and lighting scenes etc. it could add a little more time.

I'll Bite how many hours were you told ?

[ILoveC4]

^Identifying all the devices, adding all the drivers, making all the bindings, creating all the rooms, etc...

If you can do that in 3-4 hours you my friend, are the man.

[briankmc22]

get a sonos zp90 and the extra vegatables driver, its my new found love all over again for my c4 system... beats an Ipod dock any day of the week and has rhapsody and the internet am/fm station selection is world wide. Plus super fast selection from my itunes selection...

[ILoveC4]

^ Can someone post a video of this in action for me?

I am having a hard time understanding the obsession.

[chinense]

Thank you all for providing your earlier comments. I am here in April now with a dysfunctional system, I posted here (http://www.c4forums.com/viewtopic.php?id=7353) to determine what a reasonable amount of time was for installation.

My current implementer is on hold while I figure out how to get the best value out of what I have paid for and what I now need due to their system design deficiencies (if they are actually deficiencies).

I contacted the C4 rep for my area and explained to him my issues and concerns. He was very professional and said I was of course free to talk with another installer. I brought another company in to assess the first companies work, and they essentially said it looks like I need an HC-1000, an input/output expander, many dimmers, switches (including 2 & 6 button switches) and 3 Panasonic PoE cameras (versus 1 PoE Panasonic i was looking at and 2 analogs) and possibly a dedicated DVR for the cameras. They have no clue how to work with or integrate the NEC phone system I have (DSX-40) with door stations and 2 Baldwin wireless locks but they are thinking.