phantomgordon

When people tie C4 wall stations or apps into realtime camera feeds, is C4 integrating with cameras directly or the NVR? If it’s the NVR, does that mean that blue Iris needs a C4 integration? Also how did you build your blue Iris host? Did you just use a PC? Or do you have some kind of rack mountable server with a disk array? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

cool. I can't much googling for Helios. The mobile app you use: is it just showing 2n video or is it hooking into NVR and showing doorstation plus other IP cameras? If not, do you have another app you use to view other IP cameras (via NVR I'd imagine) remotely? Thanks

Yes. I read the document. It seems to make the point that this is a workaround. So I'll flip it back to you: Did you even read my question? I asked, "And how much does (enhanced licence) enhance functionality vs. the workarounds?: Obviously, the enhanced license does SOMETHING else why offer it for a fee? So, what's it doing and how much does it cost? Seems like these are reasonable questions

Would love to feed 2N directly into NVR. there are hacks it seems OR one can use "enhanced license". https://2nwiki.2n.cz/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=76089694. Does anyone know what this "enhanced license" is all about? Who is getting paid? (2N? C4? ONVIF consortium)? How much is it roughly? Is it a recurring fee? And how much does it enhance functionality vs. the workarounds? Thanks!

What’s the app? It ties into your NVR? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

If you have a touch screen or iPad in guided access/kiosk mode, you might want full control of cameras (quickly rewind backwards to see what happened a minute ago or pan a camera). One could say about almost all services with C4 integrations: why not just use native app? Ideally, C4 handles it so you don’t need lots of apps. That said, I understand the power of the native app and why a lot of people like it. Perhaps in my ideal world I have the option to do either. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Interesting. Do you have a link to it? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Is there anyway to access the video via an IP stream? Like H.265/ H.264 and web or mobile app? Using your approach, you need a lot of heavy and $$ matrix switching or expensive SDVoE equipment, baluns etc. And it wouldn’t work over mobile. Savant does something like this (I think) with its Apple TV app and their integration with ICRealtime. Users can view and interact with video all over IP (not just NVR control) as opposed to your approach. Your comment is very helpful and I suspect you’re solution is the only one. Just thought I’d ask Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Can the Luma be controlled (e.g. PTZ or live rewind/pause etc) from C4 interface ? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

unifi protect doesn’t have ONVIF support so my understanding was integration with C4 with full functionality is limited. Interested in what others have to say Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Can you explain in more detail how that would work? Do you have to initiate via Amazon device like an echo? Or could you initiate through a control4 device without actually seeing any Amazon device. Perhaps using Alexa backend only? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

How does the 12v work ? What hardware is involved ? RS-232 trigger device ? How would state be better known with 12v than IR? ThAnn’s for explaining (I realize this is a naive question but I’m new to some of this) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

any idea why there is still no support for iPad Pros designed in last 2-3 years with FaceID? (see https://www.iportproducts.com/ipadcompatibility I prefer the look of the Pros with (slim bezel and no button). Is iPort no longer actively developing product? Also, how fast does C4 iOS app become usable (any lag?) when used on iPad in conjunction with Kiosk Mode (i.e. guided access)? Basically, weighing tradeoffs with T3 screens. The one limitation I know of is no intercom anywhere on Ipad which sucks (hopefully C4 fixes?)

Isn’t there a Chowmain driver for Nexus21? Is that what you’re referring to ? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

That's all very fair. Thanks

You've ignored incentives among other things. It's why many dealers (I accept you're very honest and not one of them) push Crestron and Savant over C4; they make more money on the hardware.

for the 1000th time, it's not. We just disagree. Move on already

Let's just end this. In no way did I prove everyone's point....from my perspective, you've proven mine. Just agree to disagree and move on!

No. Dealers would just increase the price of aspect of the trade where they add value: design, integration, and service. Their relationship margin could stay the same Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Incredibly easy to argue the point from the perspective of many of us. Let’s just agree to disagree and let this thread die Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

yeah...the touchscreens seem bananas. We all know what those kind of LCD screens and ARM processors cost (i.e. not a lot). They're not even using state-of-the-art SOCs or displays (4k, 120hz etc)

Sorry, have to say that dinner is $100. Good system (for arguments sake) is like $100k. As such, incentives key. What you're missing is the incentives. Incentives don't matter on $100 to the end user but they do on $100k. Most (smart) consumers want to know what's in the $100k. For $100 dinner, they either have a pretty good idea (because they know what lettuce costs since they have strong references for food but don't know what a matrix switch costs) or don't care becuase in absolute terms it doesn't matter on $100. Additionally, the critics and the video massively meets the point: it's not about paying dealers 7%....its about paying them for service not hardware because C4 did the hard work on the hardware...the dealer added little value on the anything hardware related. dealers should be paid (like I do in my business) on the value-add. And if they add lots of value, they ought to be paid a lot of money! But the value is in the planning, integration, and service (where there is TONS of value to add) not in secret hardware markup. If dealers provide awesome value (which I KNOW many folks on these forums do), all many of us are saying is : breakout the hardware from the integration/design/service etc and charge on the latter not the former as transparecy is great and keeps everyone honest. All that said, C4 has a certain business model which "requires" dealers to mark things up. I'm saying that's unfortunate but I also respect the fact that this is waht they (and Savant, Crestron, Lutron etc) hae decided to go evidently and that's not the dealers' fault. Say what you want but PLEASE stop criticizing me for suggesting dealers/integrators don't do awesome work and should make no money (as the video suggests). I think they do great and valuable work AND I think they have every right in the world to charge top dollar (whatever that is) for that great work....THEIR work To the extent everyone gets that the video is NOT AT ALL what I'm saying but it simply funny, I agree! It's hilarious and I can take a good joke (just remember it doesn't apply to me)

The company started with screens and now is producing shades. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Anyone have experience with Screen Innovations shades? Curious how they compare (pricing, functionality, warranty) to Crestron, Lutron, Qmotion et. al. Can't find much in the way of comparisons on line. Thanks!

Said I wouldn't reply but I figured saying "thanks" and that I appreciate your comment here doesn't count Apologies if I ruffled any feathers. Again, that's a mighty kind response and it's sincerely appreciated