krris Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 hey folks, looking at having a few zones of audio installed and using either triad distribution amplifier TS-PAMP8-100. its a new house im building. i am unsure of how this amplifier connects to the C4 controller. when I look at the Ea-5 data sheet for example, it says it has for audio out the following: 5 audio out—1 HDMI, 2 stereo analog, 2 digital coax but when i look at the back of the triad , it has 8 stereo inputs with one of them called a global IN. does this mean I just need to connect one of the pairs of stereo analog from the EA-5 into the TS-PAMP8-100 ? and Would that allow me to have multiple zones playing together out of the TS-PAMP8-100 which is ultimately what I want to acheive. TIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopedogg88 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Yes you could connect straight from the ea5 to the amp, and have 1 stream of audio played in all 8 zones at the same time and volume. But that's not the right configuration unless that's all you want. You really need a Triad audio matrix (8x8 or 16x16) in between which would allow you to control on/off for each zone and volume for each independently. PM me, i do have an 8x8 in stock if you need. I can also help you with programming the system remotely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopedogg88 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Also the matrix has connections to allow you to connect 4 of the audio outs (2x digital coax and 2x analog) which allows simultaneously streaming different music in different rooms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krris Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 with the matrix, do you just connect 1 pair of stereo from the EA-5 to the matrix. then if you have 3 zones of audio, you connect 3 stereo pairs from the matrix to the amp? is that how it works? Sure, will ping you separately too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopedogg88 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 yes basically. that would give you one stream available in those 3 zones with independent zone control. if you wanted more simultaneous streams so people could listen to different things in different zones at the same time, then you'd need to make more connections from the EA5 to the matrix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krris Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 does that mean the EA5 is only limited to 2 simultaneous streams out since it only has 2 stereo analog out? what happens if you want 3,4 or 5 simultaneous streams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopedogg88 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 guess you didn't read my post above very closely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LollerAgent Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 29 minutes ago, krris said: does that mean the EA5 is only limited to 2 simultaneous streams out since it only has 2 stereo analog out? what happens if you want 3,4 or 5 simultaneous streams? You can connect all four outputs of the EA5 (2 analog, 2 digital) to inputs on your Triad Matrix. You then connect each input from your Triad PAMP to corresponding outputs on the Triad Matrix. This configuration allows you to have 4 unique music streams playing at once in any number of zones. Make sense? krris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krris Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 ahh ok, got it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 The way that the controllers are named is that for an EA-X controller you have X audio connections. Actually X-1 if you don't count HDMI and it isn't recommended to use HDMI for audio (for sync reasons) when you have multi-zone audio. That's why I often mark a smartass comment that the correct name for the EA-1 controller should be an EA-0. chopedogg88 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krris Posted January 27, 2022 Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 can Triad amp take speaker wiring that is 14, 12 or even 10 gauge? I haven't used those type of phoenix connectors before myself and from looking at pics , they appear very small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Control4Savant Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, krris said: can Triad amp take speaker wiring that is 14, 12 or even 10 gauge? I haven't used those type of phoenix connectors before myself and from looking at pics , they appear very small. There is no reason to be putting anything less than 14 gage on a distribution amp. Really you shouldn’t need anything less than 16 unless you are doing a pretty long pull, 10” speakers or high power zone (200+wpc) krris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopedogg88 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 I typically run 14/4 for whole home audio. Agreed, 12 or 10 is not necessary nor will it fit easily in those connectors. krris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LollerAgent Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 13 minutes ago, krris said: can Triad amp take speaker wiring that is 14, 12 or even 10 gauge? I haven't used those type of phoenix connectors before myself and from looking at pics , they appear very small. You may have trouble with anything larger than 14awg. I typically use 16/4 for WHA zones. krris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Control4Savant Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 minute ago, chopedogg88 said: I typically run 14/4 for whole home audio. Agreed, 12 or 10 is not necessary nor will it fit easily in those connectors. Yeah it seems like its 50/50 on pros. Again for me I havnt found much difference in regards to 6/8” speakers for distribution so it’s cheaper for everyone when you use 16g. I do a lot of (4) 4” aperture’s and an inceiling/wall sub which gets 14g but thats also an IP/AVB setup with CAT as well so there is extra cost there for that design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krris Posted January 27, 2022 Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 by 16/4 or 14/4 do you mean 16 or 14 gauge with 4 wires (2 pairs) to each speaker? is this in case you use a DVC speaker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LollerAgent Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, krris said: by 16/4 or 14/4 do you mean 16 or 14 gauge with 4 wires (2 pairs) to each speaker? is this in case you use a DVC speaker? I mean 16 AWG cable with 4 conductors (for 2 speakers). For in-ceiling speakers, I typically run 16/4 to a room, split out 2 conductors at the "first" speaker, loop the cable, and then continue the run on to the "second" speaker. krris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Control4Savant Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 17 minutes ago, krris said: by 16/4 or 14/4 do you mean 16 or 14 gauge with 4 wires (2 pairs) to each speaker? is this in case you use a DVC speaker? I run a 16/4 to one speaker and 16/2 from additional speakers back that 16/4 speaker location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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