panamagixxer Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 I want to add "water sensors" to a few places in my house - laundry areas and utility area. OK, so if water sensor is not the correct terminolgy, I am looking for a device that would detect a broken pipe/water on the floor/tile.Is there a stand alone product that would work with C4 or should I look at integrating my Security System (pretty sure there are sensors that would work with it).Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveC4 Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 http://www.cardaccess-inc.com/automation/products/index.php?a=details&i=ILD10B-BI am going to install a couple of these in the same places. By the water heaters, washing machine, under the dishwasher and fridge (hardwood floors), etc...Those are a little pricey, but I think if you can run a wire you can cut the price substantially because you no longer need the card access wireless contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveC4 Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 http://www.home-technology-store.com/home-security/GI-2600.aspxThis looks like it would work if you could run a wire to your controller. It looks like your standard NC contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFUG Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 I ran a CAT5e to my HWH but forgot to do so in the laundry room. The question for me is what to do after the alarm though. I think a better approach is to install the very-expensive remote controlled, whole-house ball valve. Another idea is to install the very inexpensive line sets with the flow limiter attachment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveC4 Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 I ran a CAT5e to my HWH but forgot to do so in the laundry room. The question for me is what to do after the alarm though. I think a better approach is to install the very-expensive remote controlled, whole-house ball valve. Another idea is to install the very inexpensive line sets with the flow limiter attachment.My thought (at least initially) is to just have it make an announcement and fire a text message to me and my wife letting us now what is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panamagixxer Posted January 15, 2010 Author Share Posted January 15, 2010 I ran a CAT5e to my HWH but forgot to do so in the laundry room. The question for me is what to do after the alarm though. I think a better approach is to install the very-expensive remote controlled' date=' whole-house ball valve. Another idea is to install the very inexpensive line sets with the flow limiter attachment.[/quote']My thought (at least initially) is to just have it make an announcement and fire a text message to me and my wife letting us now what is going on.I am on the same page - a txt or e-mail would work. At least it would limit the exposure time/damage. At work we have just installed a system with temp and water sensors that call/txt you when there is an issue. I could go this direction too, but integrating with C4 makes sense and is cooler :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henniae Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 http://www.home-technology-store.com/home-security/GI-2600.aspxThis looks like it would work if you could run a wire to your controller. It looks like your standard NC contact.You can get the GRI water sensors cheaper than that. I am purchasing 2 for $7.00 each at spytown.com I am not affiliated with spytown.com at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFUG Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 That's great IF you are home... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingzz Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 I have been using this in my laundry room and by the sump pump, it sounds a local alarm and provides a contact that I used in the C4 systemhttp://www.absoluteautomation.com/waterbug/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveC4 Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 That's great IF you are home...I agree, there are better solutions out there but something is better than nothing.I can always get a hold of a neighbor and have them go shut off the water if I am too far away from home. I may look into the ability to remotely shutoff the water as well, but I am not interested in shelling out huge cash for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henniae Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 ... I may look into the ability to remotely shutoff the water as well, but I am not interested in shelling out huge cash for this.I looked into a few main water shutoff valves. They were about $400.00, I am not ready to shell out that much right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFUG Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Right, the Elk 1" looks to be a little over $400. Then, sensors are on top of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhadams Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 panamagixxer, integrate it in to your security system. Water bugs are cheap and are a typical zone on a security system. Isn't your security system and control4 already talking to each other? I thought, but if not, that's an easy thing to fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFUG Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 The OP is looking for a "stand-alone" that works with C4?? Which is it? I believe in defining the outcome first then determining how to get there. What are you planning to do with the information from the sensor? Local annunciation, email or take action?? I would assume that nobody wants any amount of water in an area that will receive damage from it. In that case, why would you stop at connection to C4? I'm not going to lecture here (does no good anyway it appears), so go call your insurance co. and ask them what they do in case of water damage claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bebster Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 I've got several inexpensive water sensors connected to my alarm system. That system then sends an alarm to my C4 system, as well as to a valve on the main water line which is then shutoff.Here's the device I'm installing: http://www.watercop.com/The way I figure it, I'm only home about 1/2 the time. A water break could output about 10 gals per minute. In the 30 minutes it would take me (best case) to get home and shut the water off, 300 gallons would pour out and cause lots of expensive damage. So without an automatic shutoff, the alarms alone aren't a real solution in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFUG Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 ^Nice. Although I'd prefer a system that talks directly to th eball valve, as long as you test everything once/mo. that sounds like a very nice system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bebster Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 I'd prefer a system that talks directly to th eball valveThe Watercop can directly control the ball valve via its sensor(s), and you could then have it send control signal to a C4 input for additional notifications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFUG Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Nice work. BTW, have you been through a water break or is this just extra care on your part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bebster Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Had a 2nd floor pipe freeze and flood the living and dining room. A mess to cleanup (had to through out half the furniture and replace all the sheetrock). Although I had insurance that covered a lot of it, I'm sure my premium will go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsanf3 Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 I looked into a few main water shutoff valves. They were about $400.00, I am not ready to shell out that much right now.I wonder if this could be integrated with C4HHBWSOCONTROL - Water Shut-Off Controllerhttps://store.homeheartbeat.com/OA_HTML/ibeCCtpItmDspRte.jsp?section=10021&item=431490 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jberger Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Eaton (Home Heartbeat) is planning on moving to ZigbeePro with an HA profile for C4 support. It has not been released yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFUG Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 I worry about the Eaton distribution and support infrastructure. Do you think C4 dealers will embrace the product to the point of become authorized to distribute? Other than this point the stuff looks cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jberger Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Why worry about Eaton? They are HUGE and offer great support from my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFUG Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 I don't dig big huge companies anymore- sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jberger Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 No need to say your sorry, I just don't know why you would worry about Eaton. They have great backing, large market presence and great support system. The guys who helped develop Home Heatbeat are Cedia members and very active in working with Cedia/CEA group. They have demonstrated a high level of commitment and have a proven track record of providing good products and excellent support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.