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I did not ask him -- he is traveling and I am putting together a list of Next Steps for further system development. I appreciate your input and thank you for your comment.

I have a terrific dealer. Thank you.

Hello, I have a lighting element that is currently controlled by a Kasa HS220 dimmer. Currently, the light can be controlled (on / off and dimming) either by the physical button on the HS220 dimmer or via the C4-T4 Touchscreens. I recently installed a KCB wired keypad. Does anyone know if I can bind the KCB keypad to the lighting element so that I can control dimming via the KCB? thank you for taking the time to review.

@msgreenf thank you for the feedback. Oddly when I attempted to recreate the issue, the lack of a properties feature only occurred after a backup. Strange.

Hello all, I recently upgraded to a the new version of the Composer HE. I noticed that when I highlight a project element in the MONITORING section, I can no longer access the related properties (via the properties tab). Is anyone else experiencing the same issue?

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Thank you @cidle323

Can someone please provide me the button sequence to factory reset (i.e. remove all as-written configurations and restore to out-of-box status) a KCB wired keypad. These are the C4-KCB-xx devices. For reference: 15 top button presses reboots, 5 top, 5 bottom, 5 top resets the RS485 connection. I am missing the factory reset command. Kind regards

@BXTR and @SpencerT Thank you both. I appreciate the guidance.

Does anyone know of a C4 driver that provides a virtual keypad GUI on a T4 / mobile Navigator for the C4-KCB (C4-KC120277) keypads (customizable 6 button units)?

@ajd123 you state your programming objective is: anytime any light in a bathroom is turned on it triggers a timer that will turn on my bathroom exhaust fan. If a light is on AND then another light is turned on in the bathroom, I want the timer to restart. The screenshots above show you have set the Bathroom Fan Timer to RESTART when the Master Bath lights turn OFF. Is this intentional because you want the fan to run a bit longer after all lights are off? Or is your intent to turn the fan OFF after all lights are off? If you have a lot of light switches in the bathroom, one suggestion would be to put all of your conditional programming into a single macro. You can then run the macro every time one of the switches changes state. This keeps all of the programming centralized and makes the logic easier to follow, troubleshoot, and change.

@ajd123 Check out the C4 drivers for WhatsApp, PushSafer, and Pushover. As Shoe states, these apps offer more flexibility than conventional SMS. If you are determined to continue to use SMS, SMTP2GO offers the ability to generate an SMS from an email. In such a case, you email a specific address (that you setup as an SMTP2GO sub-account) and the service re-transmits the message as if the message originated from a cell phone. There are fees associated with this service and the cost can add up quickly.

@C4 User Thank you for your reply. The IQPro DNA chart published by the manufacturer lists part number HS2TCHP as Hardwired Remote Touchscreen marketed with the IQPro.

@C4 User and @Cyknight I just completed setting up the physical equipment for the IQPro and aim to activate the panel this week. In reviewing these messages, a few users suggested that the C4 integration was only possible if a particular touchscreen was connected to the IQPro. However in a follow-up thread, concerns about needing a touchscreen seem to be discounted. I am not quite sure. Can either of you, please: advise if a touchscreen is needed (and if so, what specific model you selected)? kind regards.

@Shoe There is no guessing in home automation. The 2N keypad that sits on the mounting panel for the DoorStation unit is an ancillary module and requires mating with the DoorStation unit for any communication or logic functions. This element can not be mounted in isolation. 2N makes a separate, standalone unit that looks identical to the ancillary module and contains all of the needed electronics to function independently. We need a driver for this unit; a Chowmain driver would be a wonderful addition ( @alanchow). Chowmain drivers are fantastic and the programmers who author the drivers are top-notch. The 2N product line looks sharp and has a solid feel (real metal, not plastic). A few of the many reasons to select a standalone 2N keypad: aesthetic consistency with existing 2N DoorStations areas in which cameras would be inappropriate and intrusive there are no existing keypad only products in the C4 lineup ability to manage access codes from the same C4 Composer as DoorStations security (resistant to brute force attack on the keypad) quality, the 2N devices are consistent with high-end applications @SYH I searched extensively and could not find a great solution absent using the workaround that I outlined above. Let's hope that Chowmain identifies a business case to move forward (I did submit the driver request ticket).

how about use a standalone 2N keypad (https://www.2n.com/en_US/products/ip-access-control/2n-access-unit-2/2n-access-unit-2-touch-keypad) And then use Chowmain's Generic TCP driver to communicate between the 2N and the C4? This is a great thread because the initial inquiry exposes a missing piece of C4's line-up: a driver that supports standalone keypads (Doorstations that do NOT have a camera).

ok, an update as I just got off the phone with Quolsys Level II technical support. an official, certified IQpro specific driver is in the works and will be announced (via technical bulletin shortly) with in "a few weeks at most" for those of us who use 4-wire smokes and have a total of >300mA of smokes (each smoke is about 25mA in alarm status, so 300mA = c12 smokes) starting with firmware 04.02.03, adding a HSM2204, high voltage PGM outboard will permit the installer to select 4 additional "sensor reset" PGMs each of the PGMs on the HSM2204 board will function identically to the default PGM2 on the main IQpro panel

Can anyone who has integrated C4 with the IQ Pro security panel comment on the experience? Specifically, a) what driver are you using? (I see from the above a legacy DSC Neo driver will work; however, DSC support tells me that a IQpro-specific driver is on the way) b) any best practices or recommendations during the integration that are not immediately obvious? (the above comments regarding 6 digit codes is helpful) c) can PGM 1, 3, or 4 be manually set for "sensor reset" to accommodate 4 wire smokes (PGM2 automatically defaults, apparently) d) is an RM1/RM2 power loop relay required EOL on each run of 4-wire smokes? thank you

@msgreenf Thank you for your reply. Absent improved analytics, I struggle to see the use case for this product. I was really hoping for better detection, facial recognition, and license plate reading. I would pay for that. Even better would be a virtual guard service that a C4 homeowner could activate during vacations or time away from a specific property when unattended. SnapAv has potential for incremental revenue here.

@DLite @msgreenf A few questions, please, regarding Luma Insights: Is the region intrusion / line crossing and motion detection more accurate when using Insights as compared to the results when using the native (out of the box) features on the Luma X20 cameras? Can the region intrusion / line crossing and motion detection identified by Insights be used to trigger an action as defined by Composer? what is the relationship between Insights and Composer? Have you encountered issues when requesting high resolution snapshots from the Luma X20 cameras via API in which the timestamp of the image sent is from hours prior to the API request? this issue does not present when requesting low resolution snapshots, only the highest quality resolution. interestingly, this issue only started presenting about 2.5 months ago (curiously when the Luma Insights product launched; perhaps a firmware update inadvertently caused this issue) thank you

This board is a terrific resource. Hearing different perspectives and approaches is of tremendous value. In just under 17 hours @Time2Jet has three different approaches to consider with the pros and cons of each outlined. Thank you all for a robust discussion and have a great weekend.

@lippavisual and @Cyknight One of the many positives of C4 is that there are multiple ways to get to a solution. As long as the end user / homeowner is happy. The Navigator GUI from the thermostat driver is excellent and T4s will also permit HVAC adjustments. I, for one, strongly prefer the physical thermostat. Staff know immediately how to use the device, I am not glued to a cell, and remotes get moved about -- plus the screen is a bit small. Sometimes technology is best experienced in the background -- there is something rewarding about tactile interaction associated with traditional devices. But to each his / her own.

@lippavisual if you install temp sensors and remove the thermostats, how do you offer local control (absent a T4)?

@Time2Jet I also live in the Northeast USA and have encountered this issue. Here is my suggestion based, of course, on the assumption that you / end user do not want to open walls and want to minimize revisions to the wallboard. 1. In the boiler room, identify the hydronic zone controllers (1 for each zone of heating). These are very likely Honeywell branded. These devices will have 4 wires (2 black, 2 red). One set goes to the boiler, the other set (most likely red) will be connected to a wire going to the 2 wire thermostat. Leave the set of wires going into the boiler alone. 2. Disconnect the wires going to the thermostat. Connect these to a relay (see Note A, below). I used Functional devices model RIBRL1S because these are DIN rail mounted, have a manual override, and an indicator light so you can visually determine when the relay is on (helps with troubleshooting). Wire each relay to either a C4-IOX (Control4 IO Extender) or a Shelly device (I prefer hardwired). Note that RIBRL1S requires 12vdc. You can get a DIN rail mounted step down transformer (120vac to 12vdc). I also place a LED panel light on the transformer so I can easily confirm that the 12vdc power is indeed on (helps with any troubleshooting). 3. You will now be able to control each zone on the heating system using the relays and therefore via Control4. I created a separate "room" called HVAC and used a custom icon for each zone of heat (one icon for ON and one icon for OFF). Pressing the custom icon turns the heat zone on (closes the relay) and displays the ON icon. Pressing again toggles the sequence. 4. Now, we connect the thermostats because we have no intention of manually controlling the heat. Remove all of the as-built thermostats and expose the as-built 2 wires which run from each thermostat location to the boiler room. Use a meter and ensure that a) no power is running through the wires (remember you disconnected these in step 2) and b) you have affirmatively determined that each of the wires is correctly identified as the wire running from the thermostat location to the boiler room. 5) Install one unit of C4-THERM to replace each as-built thermostat. Set the C4-THERM to "powered" and not "power stealing" (there is a physical switch that needs to be set). Connect one of the wires to common (usually white) and the other wire (usually red) to 24vac on the back of the C4-THERM. Also put 4 "AA" batteries in each C4-THERM. 6) Supply the as-built 2-wire cable starting from each of the thermostat locations and terminating in the boiler room with 24vac. You can get a DIN rail mounted transformer (step down 120vac to 24vac) and position on the same DIN rail as the relays in step 2 (looks nice). I also place a LED panel light on the transformer so I can easily confirm that the 24vac power is indeed on (helps with any troubleshooting). Make certain to get sufficient amps to power all of the C4-THERM units. 7) At this point, all of your C4-THERM should be powered and functioning. Follow the instructions in Composer Pro to register each on the Zigbee wireless network. 8.) Using programming in Composer Pro / HE, you are going to create an action for each of the C-THERM devices (WHEN any HEAT CALL --> turn on (close) ZONE RELAY). And, of course: WHEN heat call OFF --> turn off (open) ZONE RELAY. The thermostat driver will provide the Navigator GUI with scheduling and other virtual thermostat features for each zone. 9) here is the best part. Many older houses in NE have central air that used a separate thermostat. You can now use programming to provide the homeowner with one single thermostat for both heating and cooling using the same logic as above. I hope the above provides a good starting point. The usual caveats and disclaimers apply: licensed electricians for line voltage, HVAC specialists if needed. I also would make certain that the gauge of the as-built wire is rated to carry 24vac. Given that thermostat systems use 24vac as a standard, I strongly suspect that the as-built wire will be sufficient. That said, better to check and verify than to assume. Reach out with any questions of follow-ups. Note A: Honeywell seems to have a dominant market share for the hydronic zone controllers. Most of these devices call for heat from the boiler when 24VAC is supplied to the 2 red wires. Thermostats simply act as switchs. Our goal here is to substitute the relay for the thermostat. Therefore, direct 24VAC to the common on the relay and then normally open (NO) to one leg of the hydronic zone controller. Wire the other leg of the hydronic zone controller back to the 24VAC supply. Make certain that your version of the hydronic zone controllers requires external power before wiring. Some versions (older) were self-powered.

@Windthrow One other item that I would add: make certain that your network is 100% rock solid. I strongly suggest professional grade APs (I am using Araknis WiFi6), managed switches, and run Cat6 / fiber before the walls are finished. Also, reserve more than sufficient space in your equipment room for 44ru racks. This will make set-up and review much cleaner. The managed switches permit efficient network troubleshooting. I had one defective cable that was causing a network loop (LAN latency 300ms). Once this $3 cable was replaced, latency tracked at 35ms. Without the managed switches, identifying this issue would have taken a long time and much frustration. The higher end APs permit multiple VLANs (one for IoT, one for principal / family, one for guests / staff).