Control 4 In Usa V.s Canada

[louisraza1]

Hi guys just want to know if there any problem if you buy stuff from u.s.a and you instal it in canada

IS THE WARRANTY WILL BE CANCEL?

[Cyknight]

Warranty is only honored on C4 equipment through an authorised dealer - anything bought through channels other than a dealer technically is void as far as warranty goes - although you could contact a dealer to take care of an RMA.

Note that C4 equipment MAC adresses are stored and traceable.

Of course it is up to a dealer and C4's discretion to handle induvidual cases, and generally we aren't bad people - though some here may say differently .

[louisraza1]

dealer in canada sale stuff more than the double than the usa. i dont have problem with new stuff and the price but sometimes its good to save money

[Cyknight]

CA dealer prices are not that far off from US in many ways - although tax comes into play as well.

Take care in ordering on-line tough, lately pretty much EVERYTHING seems to get stopped and tagged by customs and your price will end up higher than expected. Just paid 40 CAD for a birthday present for my kid - that family sent out of the US...

[louisraza1]

let see my exemple . 5 min ago i buy a new hc-250 on ebay i paid 400 $ for it . in canada the msrp is 799$ so if custom takes like 100 $ for it i did a deal ! but its true sometimes customs put some charge much higher than should be

[pentium77]

That's how you guys pay for social healthcare system taxes. Well that and the fact most of my family in Canada pays 30-50% overall taxes on all of their income. In US I'm in the 21-25% bracket I think but it is far better for me to pay for my healthcare and not have big gov decide what Dr to see and when.

[crazybuppie]

let see my exemple . 5 min ago i buy a new hc-250 on ebay i paid 400 $ for it . in canada the msrp is 799$ so if custom takes like 100 $ for it i did a deal ! but its true sometimes customs put some charge much higher than should be

You may have saved a few dollars, but since no authorized C4 dealer is allowed to sell on ebay you have absolutely no warranty on your purchase.

[cashmoney]

There are several authorized dealers selling on eBay.

[louisraza1]

Abslolutly , in canada and most in quebec we pay like 50 % of our income in taxes and things , so all we buy is always two times more than in the u.s.a . On a brand new c4 systeme some dealer near me told me that's was not a problem.

[Keter8]

That's how you guys pay for social healthcare system taxes. Well that and the fact most of my family in Canada pays 30-50% overall taxes on all of their income. In US I'm in the 21-25% bracket I think but it is far better for me to pay for my healthcare and not have big gov decide what Dr to see and when.

I'm Canadian, Costs are VERY similar for C4 products bought through dealers, here or in the states. C4 warranties products bought through dealers.

BTW, My gov does NOT decide on my doctor, or when I see him. I do. They pay the bill however. They pay it whether I am unemployed or a billionaire. My taxes are reasonable.

[pentium77]

That's how you guys pay for social healthcare system taxes. Well that and the fact most of my family in Canada pays 30-50% overall taxes on all of their income. In US I'm in the 21-25% bracket I think but it is far better for me to pay for my healthcare and not have big gov decide what Dr to see and when.

I'm Canadian' date=' Costs are VERY similar for C4 products bought through dealers, here or in the states. C4 warranties products bought through dealers.

BTW, My gov does NOT decide on my doctor, or when I see him. I do. They pay the bill however. They pay it whether I am unemployed or a billionaire. My taxes are reasonable.[/quote']

Oh so this must be a recent change in the last few years. If you have a major medical problem and you want to seek several different opinions get 2-3 MRIs / Ct scans etc you can decide exactly when and where you'll get your medical advice and then treatment? So hypothetically 1 doctor says your tumor is inoperative but a higher end "specialist" on your 2nd or 3rd opinion says it is a risky and a very expensive surgery but he thinks he can help then does that mean you can choose him and you don't need approvals but can just schedule it and move forward immediately?

That's completely contrary to how it "used" to work however I haven't lived there for a long time so maybe now everyone has unlimited unrestricted medical care. However I do know my father who owns a very modest business pays 40-50% total in taxes overall.

[prabeau]

Oh boy the old red neck and separatist conversation !

Give it up right now, neither one will win because both are absolutely correct (in their own minds anyway)

[louisraza1]

its always a bad conversation subject . sorry !

[ichbinbose]

There are several authorized dealers selling on eBay.

they may be dealers, although they are not authorized to sell on ebay. It is a direct violation of the dealer agreement.

My guess is that most are former C4 dealers trying to move thru inventory.

[cashmoney]

At least one openly claims to be an active dealer.

[Cyknight]

Then he likely won't be for very long...

[AK1]

You can't compare $400 eBay pricing to $799 Canadian dealer pricing and claim it's almost double. The appropriate comparison is MSRP Canadian Dealer pricing to US Dealer Pricing. In that scenario the price difference is more like 20% which pretty accounts for the costs of importing and currency exchange fluctuations.

Or to look at it another way, take a Sharp 70" TV LC70LE640U $2,687 at Future Shop or Visions in Canada and $2,498 in Walmart USA. Now C4 products have much smaller market penetration and higher margins so the price differential is more in the 20% range.

It's definitely not double.

[pentium77]

You can't compare $400 eBay pricing to $799 Canadian dealer pricing and claim it's almost double. The appropriate comparison is MSRP Canadian Dealer pricing to US Dealer Pricing. In that scenario the price difference is more like 20% which pretty accounts for the costs of importing and currency exchange fluctuations.

Or to look at it another way, take a Sharp 70" TV LC70LE640U $2,687 at Future Shop or Visions in Canada and $2,498 in Walmart USA. Now C4 products have much smaller market penetration and higher margins so the price differential is more in the 20% range.

It's definitely not double.

CAD to USD conversion = 1.000000 to 0.999399

Tax everything to death! Gotta pay for that healthcare system somehow

[AK1]

At least it's a healthcare system (at least of sorts)

[Cyknight]

You can't compare $400 eBay pricing to $799 Canadian dealer pricing and claim it's almost double. The appropriate comparison is MSRP Canadian Dealer pricing to US Dealer Pricing. In that scenario the price difference is more like 20% which pretty accounts for the costs of importing and currency exchange fluctuations.

Or to look at it another way' date=' take a Sharp 70" TV LC70LE640U $2,687 at Future Shop or Visions in Canada and $2,498 in Walmart USA. Now C4 products have much smaller market penetration and higher margins so the price differential is more in the 20% range.

It's definitely not double.[/quote']

CAD to USD conversion = 1.000000 to 0.999399

His point is that you need to compare MSRP in canada to MSRP in the us. Or at least common retail prices to common retail prices.

No-one's denying prices in Canada are higher than the US by some margin, but comparing Canadian dealer price to ebay pricing is pointless.

[AK1]

Thanks that is indeed my point.

CAD to USD conversion = 1.000000 to 0.999399

His point is that you need to compare MSRP in canada to MSRP in the us. Or at least common retail prices to common retail prices.

No-one's denying prices in Canada are higher than the US by some margin, but comparing Canadian dealer price to ebay pricing is pointless.

[cashmoney]

Don't try to compare prices at all honestly. Some dealers sell at retail or damn near close while others sell at very nice discounts, regardless of what some dealers will have you believe.

Best bet is just to work with your dealer, build a nice relationship and better pricing will most likely come your way... If it doesn't then walk and get a new dealer, CASH is still king and the customer is the boss

[jayace]

That's how you guys pay for social healthcare system taxes. Well that and the fact most of my family in Canada pays 30-50% overall taxes on all of their income. In US I'm in the 21-25% bracket I think but it is far better for me to pay for my healthcare and not have big gov decide what Dr to see and when.

I'm Canadian' date=' Costs are VERY similar for C4 products bought through dealers, here or in the states. C4 warranties products bought through dealers.

BTW, My gov does NOT decide on my doctor, or when I see him. I do. They pay the bill however. They pay it whether I am unemployed or a billionaire. My taxes are reasonable.[/quote']

Oh so this must be a recent change in the last few years. If you have a major medical problem and you want to seek several different opinions get 2-3 MRIs / Ct scans etc you can decide exactly when and where you'll get your medical advice and then treatment? So hypothetically 1 doctor says your tumor is inoperative but a higher end "specialist" on your 2nd or 3rd opinion says it is a risky and a very expensive surgery but he thinks he can help then does that mean you can choose him and you don't need approvals but can just schedule it and move forward immediately?

That's completely contrary to how it "used" to work however I haven't lived there for a long time so maybe now everyone has unlimited unrestricted medical care. However I do know my father who owns a very modest business pays 40-50% total in taxes overall.

Wow! What about US citizens that can't afford heathcare? They don't deserve it then? I'll take the Cdn system any day.

[RyanE]

This thread is about *CONTROL4* in USA vs. Canada, not which country's health care plan is better.

Please keep it on subject, or I'll request that this thread be nuked from on high. Seriously.

jayace, I'm not picking on you specifically, but you're the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Enough.

RyanE

[louisraza1]

My subject made a good conversation no ? Thank you everybody for your answer ! really appreciate !

This thread is about *CONTROL4* in USA vs. Canada, not which country's health care plan is better.

Please keep it on subject, or I'll request that this thread be nuked from on high. Seriously.

jayace, I'm not picking on you specifically, but you're the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Enough.

RyanE