spiege2 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I just had my new system installed this week in a new built house. I have speaker systems through the house, The company that installed it was in charge of the wifi set up, TV, alarm. I am very inexperienced with any of this stuff. 2 main questions 1. Is there an automatic volume control? For example in my living room when I go from TV to audio there is a huge volume jump. Dealers fix was to set the volumes low so it doesn't blast on. But this makes the next problem even worse. 2. Lag time for volume - it takes a while to get my audio to come on. I would say at least 10-15 seconds. At the beginning it was more like 1 minute but they boosted the wifi network and it came down. The dealer say it takes a while for the "amplifier to turn on and set it up" This problem is magnified because we have to turn the zones way down. So by the time you think it should be playing and there is no volume you start turning it up. how fast should audio go on? Realistically? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 1 No but there is a manual one - if different sources have different volume ratings, depending on the setup specifics, there are ways to manually set levels for them. In addition, there are default volumes separated for both audio and video that can be set, at least somewhat normalizing exactly where you start at. 2 The lag time you see is indeed likely the lag time for whatever amp you have to turn on. No idea what and how he did with WiFi to 'boost' anything - but 9-ish seconds is not uncommon on many amplifiers - they turn on, do a check internally, then turn of their actual amplification. If your 10-15 seconds is long or not is hard to say without knowing the amplifier you use. f it's the C4 poweramp, it might be set to full auto-sense. If so time can be improved by putting relay control on them, or even wiring them for always on (though the latter is technically not recommended and would increase power consumption).As a rough average:Multizone amplifiers tend to take between 3-10 seconds to start firing audio, 6 seconds is a rough average.A/V receivers are between 5-15 seconds, 9 seconds is a rough average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Lowe Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 what kind of equipment is running your audio in your system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiege2 Posted April 9, 2015 Author Share Posted April 9, 2015 First thank you guys for caring about my house. I don't have the access to the programming to let you in. This all is so over my head. Here is a list of equipment on my proposal. --Lower Level - Exercise Room--1 - PLACEHOLDER: Episode® ES-150 In-Ceiling Speakers with 6-1/2 in. Woofer (Pair) -with Speaker Brackets - Installed1 - PLACEHOLDER: Strong™ Razor Single ArmArticulating Mount for Medium 26-47 in. Flat-Panel TVs (Black)--Main Level - Master Bedroom--1 - Episode® ES-150 In-Ceiling Speakers with6-1/2 in. Woofer (Pair) - with Speaker Brackets- Installed--Main Level - His Closet--1 - Card Access: ZigBee-to-IR Module forControl41 - Interconnection Cable/Minor EquipmentPackage including: 8-Port Ethernet Switch,Surge protection, CAT5e Patch Cords, AnalogAudio Cables. All necessary distributed audioequipment wiring.--Main Level - Master Bathroom--1 - Episode® ES-150 In-Ceiling Speakers with6-1/2 in. Woofer (Pair) - with Speaker Brackets- Installed--Main Level - Great Room--1 - Binary™ 5x1 HDMI Switcher, Supports 3Dand Deep Color1 - Binary™ Digital to Analog Audio Converter1 - Control 4 HC250 Room Controller withHDMI audio and video for on-screen navigator1 - Control 4 SR250 System Remote Control1 - Episode® ES-150 In-Ceiling Speakers with6-1/2 in. Woofer (Pair) - with Speaker Brackets- Installed1 - HDMI to HDMI/Analog Audio Extractor1 - Interconnection Cable/Minor EquipmentAnalog Audio Cables. All necessary distributedaudio equipment wiring.--Main Level - Kitchen--1 - Episode® ES-150 In-Ceiling Speakers with6-1/2 in. Woofer (Pair) - with Speaker Brackets- Installed--Main Level - Pantry--1 - Apple Airport Extreme with Network Cabling- Installed1 - Interconnection Cable/Minor EquipmentPackage including: 8-Port Ethernet Switch,Surge protection, CAT5e Patch Cords, AnalogAudio Cables. All necessary distributed audioequipment wiring.--Main Level - Office--1 - Episode® ES-150 In-Ceiling Speakers with6-1/2 in. Woofer (Pair) - with Speaker Brackets- Installed--Main Level - Covered Porch--1 - Episode® ES-150 In-Ceiling Speakers with6-1/2 in. Woofer (Pair) - with Speaker Brackets- Installed--Outdoor Back Terrace--1 - PLACEHOLDER: Tru-Audio RK-8 OutdoorRock Speaker Pair - Grey or Tan--*Optional Hardware--3 - Control 4 Wireless Thermostat - Installed16 - Speaker Back-Box for each interiorspeaker location for improved efficiency/soundquality - Installed--Storage/Equipment--3 - Apple Airport Express w/ Audio Cablilng -Installed as a music source1 - Control 4 8-Zone Non-Matrix PowerAmplifier1 - Control 4 Audio Matrix Switch - up to 16stereo audio sources to simultaneously play to16 audio outputs1 - Control 4 HC-800 Controller - 1.8GHz dualcore processor, with HDMI audio and video foron-screen navigator1 - Episode® UPS/Surge Rack Mount, 15 Amp,8-Outlets, 2U UPS AVR with RJ45 - RG6(1000VA - 700W - 1874J)1 - Interconnection Cable/Minor EquipmentPackage including: 16-Port Ethernet Switch,Vertical Power Strip, HDMI, CAT5e PatchCords, Analog/Digital Audio Cables. Allnecessary distributed audio equipment wiring.1 - Strong™ Contractor Series 32U Rack withSide Panels and Fine Floor Casters, Shelvingand Assembly--Programming--1 - Control 4 4Sight License: Remote view yourControl 4 devices & Cameras while away fromthe home through a WiFi network. This is anannual subscription. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 with the control4 amp you should have near to no delay (generally sub 10 seconds). Sounds like something can be optimized. What is the audio source you are playing? Is it a streaming service? Is it MP3's stored on your network? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiege2 Posted April 9, 2015 Author Share Posted April 9, 2015 I have tried all different sources. My main thing I would like to do is stream service from my iphone amazon prime. I have to say it is kinda of annoying how it is set up that you have to add what airplay device you want to listen to it. I have 3 options to use. The control4 app must be set to play (guest device - airplay 1) than you need to tell device to play (guest device - airplay 1). Than you need to start your music on prime or regular music on your stored on your iphone. It seems like it is about 5 or 6 steps to get anything but mp3 stored on a usb drive to play. While all this is happening the music than doesn't start for a while and you start going back into each app and turning it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 with the control4 amp you should have near to no delay (generally sub 10 seconds). Sounds like something can be optimized. What is the audio source you are playing? Is it a streaming service? Is it MP3's stored on your network?As I mentioend - the power amp, on power sensing are in fact rather slow - but if the dealer just uses the drivers and a few contact sensors and relays, this can be brought down a LOT. In addition, the C4 matrix has perfectly good source levelling to get all the sources to near to the same volume, eliminating that nastyness too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Lowe Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 sent a pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMHarman Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Plus HDD spin up / seek time for local music or streaming API / Auth / download and buffer times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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