JenReilly Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Will an eero router work with my Control4 System? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcovach Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 14 minutes ago, THEORY said: What are these advanced features people are trying to do in their home that they can do with an Asus and need CLI to do it in Unifi. Ive got dozens of projects running UniFi gear and C4 and haven't touched the CLI once. You would have to ask someone that can write script. I'm not that talented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annex⁴ Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, dcovach said: You would have to ask someone that can write script. I'm not that talented. My point is most everything you need is in the UniFi GUI. I know how to do script with the CLI. Just never have had a need. What are these advanced features people are using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcovach Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, annex⁴ said: My point is most everything you need is in the UniFi GUI. I know how to do script with the CLI. Just never have had a need. What are these advanced features people are using? I'm still trying to figure out how genuinely serious most of your (group) questions are to anybody in this forum. I'd like to think you guys are trying to write drivers for the benefit of this forum but you're obviously pressing a subject with me that has nothing to do with it. I'm honestly flattered that you think I know something you that you don't about networking. I'm not quite sure how you guys find the time to NOT help when you already know the answer. Show your ability to be an ambassador. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEORY Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, dcovach said: I'm still trying to figure out how genuinely serious most of your (group) questions are to anybody in this forum. I'd like to think you guys are trying to write drivers for the benefit of this forum but you're obviously pressing a subject with me that has nothing to do with it. I'm honestly flattered that you think I know something you that you don't about networking. I'm not quite sure how you guys find the time to NOT help when you already know the answer. Show your ability to be an ambassador. What are you talking about now? I am asking to understand what are these advanced features that people need that cannot be done on the UniFi, someone mentioned they tried to use it and couldn't find the features needed. You also mentioned the ASUS products you recommend, I was asking why YOU choose those products over the UniFI router when you state you use UniFi products already. I'm not sure where you are headed off with this post now. I am trying to help, but not knowing why you are recommending something when it doesn't make sense to me, and you not providing that answer and questioning my motive makes absolutely less sense. We have Ubiquiti gear throughout our multiple company locations(and are working directly with them), we have used ASUS Routers, we have used, Linksys, cisco, calyptix, planet, tenda, trendnet, dlink, and many others. I am asking why you choose your method, I don't see it as being cost, I don't see it as you don't like the brand (you use the WAPs), if there is some other reason then perhaps me asking you would share it, so we can possibly help you with it or raise the issue with Ubiquiti. Anyways I asked as a few mentioned the product. You obviously would rather get upset and avoid the question or deflect. That is your choice. I have nothing to fight with you over, sorry you are so defensive over your network choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcovach Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Much better. It is not easy to judge the intent of your questioning due to the recent commotion. I appreciate your interest in my ASuS but some of the features you're asking for are experimental for my demo system. I'm stretching the limits to see how much it can handle without having to buy other pieces needed for a small C4 system. There's probably no secrets that you haven't heard of yet. More can be done reliably with certain models of customized Asus routers than with some of the top dollar commercial gear (in small to medium systems). I know I can walk away from a site and not have to worry about a loaded network, a power failure or a reboot. Good things can be said of a lot of other brands too. I tend to use products out in the field that I spend more time with. Asus is one of them. I would not recommend anyone to just customize a router and expect results. The stock Asus firmware is good on it's own. I can rely on a factory reset to get a network back up and running in a C4 environment. Factory resets aren't always successful and can be a nightmare in a C4 environment. It's important to feel confident about a network before walking away. I'm pretty sure networking has been a nightmare for some dealers (and end users) so it's very helpful to have feedback of certain brands and models. The best way is to test one and stretch the limits over a good period of time. Otherwise, ubiquiti is fantastic. It would be nice if other's chimed in. @eggzlotmentioned Linksys. Which model? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEORY Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 On 8/27/2017 at 2:23 PM, JenReilly said: Will an eero router work with my Control4 System? To be honest I haven't seen C4 be as finicky as it used to with network gear lately as it was in the past. This is my guess a combination of much better gear on the market, and a shit in the C4 architecture also. If you can buy it and give it a try, and if it works keep it and if not send it back. I would give it a try if it fits your network needs. If your system is rather large, I would go with mesh from some of the bigger industry guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejn1 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Sounds like maybe dcovach has some pre-configured firmware setups for his C4 installs that he just flashes via DD-WRT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcovach Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Just now, ejn1 said: Sounds like maybe dcovach has some pre-configured firmware setups for his C4 installs that he just flashes via DD-WRT? Who needs that kind of trouble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejn1 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 1 minute ago, dcovach said: Who needs that kind of trouble? I was interpreting your firmware experimentation comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejn1 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 2 hours ago, dcovach said: I appreciate your interest in my ASuS but some of the features you're asking for are experimental for my demo system. this comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcovach Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Just now, ejn1 said: I was interpreting your firmware experimentation comment? Just ask. Control4 tech support won't help with network issues if they find out custom firmware is being used. Not worth the trouble or being alone in troubleshooting. Just an FYI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcovach Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 1 minute ago, ejn1 said: this comment? Oh, the part where I mentioned demo system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejn1 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcovach Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 4 hours ago, ejn1 said: Understand, if Unifi was perfect for all then there would only be one solution out there and that's not the case. Asus makes good stuff and I used to own a couple of their routers. My only point was you mentioned that all users cant afford commercial gear which is true and also why I think ubiquiti is great stuff, its pricing is so competitive with "Best Buy" routers etc that if integrated into a C4 system, it may be preferred. I'm sure due to their disruptive pricing, some dealers dont love them and would rather sell a $1000 router with all of the associated mark up... The feedback that I've seen from most dealers is they would rather sell a solid network for cost (or almost free) than try to profit off temperamental and expensive commercial gear. I agree with that. There's so many varying results with all the top commercial brands that it's confusing to know which one to trust for all setups. Some stuff just craps out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcovach Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 25 minutes ago, ejn1 said: Sounds like maybe dcovach has some pre-configured firmware setups for his C4 installs that he just flashes via DD-WRT? The only asus router I've ever heard of running solid (on the last and final Kong firmware) was the RT-N16. It's old and only good for up to 50 nodes. Someone might have one kicking around and not realize it will run better (with more options) than most newer stuff off the best buy shelf. But who cares? I don't know why the comments keep coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejn1 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 10 minutes ago, dcovach said: The feedback that I've seen from most dealers is they would rather sell a solid network for cost (or almost free) than try to profit off temperamental and expensive commercial gear. I agree with that. There's so many varying results with all the top commercial brands that it's confusing to know which one to trust for all setups. Some stuff just craps out. I agree with that mindset... For the record, my Unifi Router, switches and AP's have been rock solid with my network and C4... Just giving you that data point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcovach Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Just now, ejn1 said: I agree with that mindset... For the record, my Unifi Router, switches and AP's have been rock solid with my network and C4... Just giving you that data point What? since when? I had no idea. You didn't mention it enough times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejn1 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 1 minute ago, dcovach said: What? since when? I had no idea. You didn't mention it enough times lol For the second official record, i had a Asus wifi router previously and it was fantastic, loved every bit of it.... If you have a Best Buy near you, I strongly recommend giving it a try ! It matches well with your $5k to $20k Control4 system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcovach Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Just now, ejn1 said: lol For the second official record, i had a Asus wifi router previously and it was fantastic, loved every bit of it.... If you have a Best Buy near you, I strongly recommend giving it a try ! It matches well with your $5k to $20k Control4 system Too much over exposure. Everyone will think it's hype, even if C4 likes some Asus routers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEORY Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 1 hour ago, dcovach said: Too much over exposure. Everyone will think it's hype, even if C4 likes some Asus routers. I think you are missing the point and getting way too defensive. What you type as your opinion seems contradictory to what you are saying you install. You want the opinion of a few dealers here, move on from ASUS as a router. I would suggest UniFi, others Pakedge, Araknis, Luxul, Cisco, Linksys. Something besides what you are using, there are much better solutions for the same price as what you say you are providing now or marginally more. My experience since going UniFi only, zero failures in the field on a few dozen systems, just one DOA 48port switch that was old stock and an known bad batch number that I had a direct replacement sent from Ubiquiti the next day. All gear works out of the box with default settings, you have the full power to do just about any advanced feature needed. Updates are robust and frequent. I'm sure you can get opinions like this about many other brands. But consumer gear shouldn't be used if you are providing the network. On a single room system, could you get away with an ASUS sure, it's better then an ISP Router. But with the amount of devices in peoples homes nowadays, very little consumer gear can handle that kind of network load. Now as for your comment on my intention of asking questions due to any previous commotion. If someone asks you, or in general questions about the topic you are posting in and why your opinion is such, the intention is to get answers, to better understand the situation or reasoning. I'll be honest I could careless what you use, I'm asking because I want to know why you use what you do. You come across from your answers or lack of here as having no real reason, that's how I see it and my impression is at least one other on here may get a hint of that feeling to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koxkp Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 What are these advanced features people are trying to do in their home that they can do with an Asus and need CLI to do it in Unifi. Ive got dozens of projects running UniFi gear and C4 and haven't touched the CLI once.VPN was the one I was referring to. Are you able to do this via GUI now? I haven't checked for new firmware recently. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcovach Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 1 hour ago, THEORY said: I think you are missing the point and getting way too defensive. What you type as your opinion seems contradictory to what you are saying you install. You want the opinion of a few dealers here, move on from ASUS as a router. I would suggest UniFi, others Pakedge, Araknis, Luxul, Cisco, Linksys. Something besides what you are using, there are much better solutions for the same price as what you say you are providing now or marginally more. My experience since going UniFi only, zero failures in the field on a few dozen systems, just one DOA 48port switch that was old stock and an known bad batch number that I had a direct replacement sent from Ubiquiti the next day. All gear works out of the box with default settings, you have the full power to do just about any advanced feature needed. Updates are robust and frequent. I'm sure you can get opinions like this about many other brands. But consumer gear shouldn't be used if you are providing the network. On a single room system, could you get away with an ASUS sure, it's better then an ISP Router. But with the amount of devices in peoples homes nowadays, very little consumer gear can handle that kind of network load. Now as for your comment on my intention of asking questions due to any previous commotion. If someone asks you, or in general questions about the topic you are posting in and why your opinion is such, the intention is to get answers, to better understand the situation or reasoning. I'll be honest I could careless what you use, I'm asking because I want to know why you use what you do. You come across from your answers or lack of here as having no real reason, that's how I see it and my impression is at least one other on here may get a hint of that feeling to. OH MY. Lets be friends, seriously, but not on facebook. We've never actually met. By the way, I'm calm (as usual, in case that's another question you have). Why are we still talking about this? Why have you filled your last post with general networking knowledge, competing remarks, and paranoid assumptions towards me? Do you really need the last word? I'm not the one who started the thread. @JenReilly makes 1 post and the thread is hijacked shortly after you arrive. Do you always need to rally your friends to help you tame any 1 person who causes you to have an emotion ? Are you still upset that I asked a question on another thread that you didn't like or are you generally this annoying to most? Can I apologize here or does it make a difference? Is there anything I can do to help you sell your drivers? Do you need a compliment? Recognition? Sure... I think you're very knowledgeable. Can I endorse you? Is anyone else from your group going to search me on LinkedIn? Do you have any more relevant questions about any specific router/model that you can't find out for yourself in a google search? Do you need any networking help? Am I going too far? I'm trying to figure out why you need to know what else I use. It doesn't really make sense why you care so much when you say you don't care. Does it really bother you that I don't answer all your questions fully? If so, please accept my full apology as we might have this whole thing all wrong about each other. We really should go for a beer.... or send me a PM. We're not off to the right start.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEORY Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 5 hours ago, koxkp said: VPN was the one I was referring to. Are you able to do this via GUI now? I haven't checked for new firmware recently. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk VPN was added to the GUI some time ago, when the UniFi was branched from the tough line it was very difficult to get some basic features. I'd say for about a year and a half all the standard router functions have been in the GUI. There is no perfect product, I like how they are working to rapidly add features. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koxkp Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 VPN was added to the GUI some time ago, when the UniFi was branched from the tough line it was very difficult to get some basic features. I'd say for about a year and a half all the standard router functions have been in the GUI. There is no perfect product, I like how they are working to rapidly add features.That's cool. I'll admit I haven't been in the admin console for a while now. Excited to check out the updated firmware later. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggzlot Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 @dcovach I was having issues with port forwarding and MAC Cloning. I know people are not huge fans of port forwarding but I had a situation with my cable boxes. Long story short, I had Optimum and no network issues. I got FIOS and the install guy removed my Linksys (e3000) and used the Fios router/modem combo. My network fell apart almost overnight. So I went to just swap in my Linksys e3000 and I had to turn off the routing feature on the Fios modem/router. Then the cable boxes could not get outside data so the guides were blank, etc. It was a total mess. I found a set up that required some port forwarding/mac cloning and I could not get it work on the Ubiquiti without SSH/CLI scripting. This was Dec 2016. So some of it is still foggy but when I search my inbox I saw my chat with Ubiquiti support talking about port fowarding issues and a known issue with the USG and port forwarding and then Mac Cloning. I basically tried to follow this: http://www.dslreports.com/faq/16710 and for the 2nd router I wound up with a newer Linksys and that 2nd sub system runs my Fios boxes. Everything works but I cannot use the Fios app to log in and set up my DVR remotely or watch stuff on the Fios app. it annoys me and I wound up 1-2 steps short as I was still having issues, but at least its been 7+ months and my home network is fine; I just have issues remotely using the Fios app I dont want to hijack the thread but if someone has a good response or help or advice they can PM me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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