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6 minutes ago, TundraSonic said:

I'm having difficulty grasping why the little bit that the OP was talking about would come close to justifying a separate physical network. VLAN, yes, but physical?

I generally do as well, but once moving past just audio (Dante, for example) most manufacturers recommend simply having a separate physical network.

1) VLANs are a good start

2) Unifi gear (which I have my house outfitted with) is going to be a bit more difficult to get working with the AVoIP (and thus MoIP) equipment. Would recommend going with an EdgeSwitch for this equipment.

3) Would recommend having an entirely separate physical network for any of the AVoIP stuff -- this is what I do with my MXNet equipment.

Maybe this question is best directed at @alanchow but does anybody know how to map connections in Composer for various sources/Mini-apps to more than one input? Anthem has this awesome concept of virtual inputs which allows an input to be made up of various combination of physical video and audio inputs as one input. The driver (written by Chowmain, sponsored by Anthem/Paradigm) has all virtual inputs defined and visible to be mapped/connected, but I'm running into issues attempting to map a Nvidia Shield (with mini apps) to the anthem to more than one input. For example, I want to have an input for YouTube TV but also a separate input for Netflix. On the Anthem processor, this allows for different audio profiles and lip-sync settings. I also want to have Bally Sports "normal" which takes video/audio from HDMI on the Anthem but then also a Bally Sports/Radio input where I'm taking the video from the Shield on an HDMI input and the audio from one of the RCA inputs which is taking audio from an FM tuner and leveraging the MultiDisplay Manager to have the different video/audio sources for live sports.

Does anybody know how to make this work or at bare minimum trigger a manual change of the inputs on the Anthem when a certain MiniApp is selected via programming (I wasn't able to get this to work for various events).

Just to clarify -- at least my experience: the Shairbridge driver was not available online or in Composer to download. It does now appear to be available again. This was not an issue of being able to use AirPlay via Shairbridge; those AirPlay endpoints were still available in my project/home.

16 hours ago, Topfox said:

Anyone else notice the Shairbridge Driver is gone?  Saw it reported in another forum. 
 

Anyone tracking any info on that?  The driver hasn’t been updated since 2021. 

Which forum did you see this one? Just curious. I do know there have been talks of getting some updates in for Apple protocols this year, including AirPlay 2.

Press Release

Finite Labs variant is far more polished and developed in a much more professional manner. There are many quick updates pushed out as soon as issues arise as well. Wouldn't even bother messing with any other variant.

8 minutes ago, witt312 said:

Do their newer 8x16 models down-mix audio as well or just pass along the extracted hdmi-audio?

They will only pass along HDMI-extracted audio that is PCM -- it can not pass along any non-PCM audio.

41 minutes ago, Shoe said:

I wondered if they had paid reviews

They do slip in a little card in most of their boxes stating you can receive a credit for Amazon if you leave a review. That said...

There stuff works very well and the cost is a bonus. Support is surprisingly very good. Phone, email, and even iOS/iMessage Business Chat (which is surprising given their size). I had one of their 8x16 HDR units that supported Dolby Vision, but getting the EDID to work consistently with Dolby Vision was making things rough and the WAF was not good. I also realized I really needed to have TrueHD/Atmos and DTS-HD MA/-X downmixing (which their matrixes don't support) so I switched to a AVoIP solution instead that had downmixing baked into units. 

Still would recommend them for large installs on a budget.

Depends on a) how much you're willing to spend vs b) how "bad" you're willing to set your source device's audio to make it work. Devices that can downmix DD 5.1 or DTS 5.1 and lower can be had quite cheap -- usually around $50-60. If you want to downmix anything above that, including TrueHD [Atmos] DTS-HD MA [X] be prepared to pay as the licensing for that decoding is pricey and thus downmixing units for those are pricey -- as much as $1000. WyreStorm makes some great downmixers for around $270: https://www.wyrestorm.com/product/exp-con-h2-dd/

AV Pro Edge also has a downmixer, but it's far more expensive: https://avproedge.com/products/ac-avdm-auhd. The AV Pro Edge downmixing functionality also has more customization of how you want center channel audio to be presented and if you want it to be amplified more when placed into L/R channels

On 11/19/2023 at 8:51 AM, dw886 said:

I'm in the process of setting this up with IRUSB.  Did you use the VideoStorm driver?  When I do, it looks like I the "Menu" and "Guide" buttons on the Control4 side don't do anything (I'll probably remap "Menu" to the IRUSB "Home" button, as that seems to be what it should do). 

 

Did you have any issues with the "Guide" button, and if so, did you figure out a way around it?

Oh man -- it's been about 2.5 years since I had them. I dumped them once Bally Sports+ launched for the Wisconsin market. I only had them so I could watch Brewers and Bucks games since they were dropped from YouTube TV. I'll gladly help you out anyway I can (including Zoom or whatever meeting software you use) but I haven't used it in a long while and don't remember what buttons were mapped or not.

The more research I've done, the more I'm finding out this is still actually the same company, with a rebrand of the player and lineup. Evidently the "R" is to match the Reavon brand

Interesting developments with R_volution as it looks really similar to Zappiti.

EDIT: There is some relationship here between them and Zappiti; links on the R_volution website are linking to the Zappiti domain...

Little bit of a preview by Let’s Get Physical Distribution Inc. for Michael Stevens (Youthman) from the CEDIA Tech Summit in Orlando :

2 minutes ago, Cyknight said:

So regardless of what video distribution option you choose: make sure you are aware of (and have a solution for) potential latency issues.

This along with video quality are usually the two biggest considerations when doing distributed video. SDVoE solutions (eg. MXNet 10G) are the "least laggy" ones out there. SDVoE is a tech that is being used in the medical field for surgical and procedural applications.

@videostorm taking a look at the estimator and the encoding devices needed. I'm not seeing any devices that make mention (but they may support) of HDR, Dolby Vision, Atmos,  DTS:X. Does your system support that?

If you're looking for the absolute best products I agree with @chopedogg88 (who gets me my AVPro Edge stuff) and @GregCAMS. They are really the best around and have a lot to offer. For best quality with least amount of headaches, I would go with the AV over IP MXNet lineup. If 1G, use EV2.

If you want the absolute best image quality with the least amount of delay, go with the 10G. 10G is built on the SDVoE standard and offers some cool features such as built in mutliview (up to 32 views I believe), gen-lock, Dante, and 1GbE alongside the video. If you do go the 10G route and want to use PoE, note that 10G PoE switches are still quite pricey and only a few are focused on AV. Netgear has essentially created and owned that market outside of first party switches.

I'm sure @GregCAMS can answer any questions about the 10G system. I have the 1G EV2 system in my home.

Well regardless of truth, recurring revenue is the name of the game and investors love it

2 hours ago, RAV said:

Higher spec sources will work with lower spec inputs, you just don't get the extra stuff that's part of the higher spec.

 

It's also worth noting that there may be higher spec features available outside the spec in lower spec (DV and eARC available in 2.0, for example). Just because something exists as part of a spec doesn't mean it can't exist outside of it. Or better said: You can have eARC without HDMI 2.1. But you can't have HDMI 2.1 without eARC.

57 minutes ago, JSTRONG said:

Pm. For details. Yes 

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55 minutes ago, JSTRONG said:

There may be enough disc to digital movie store credits to buy these movies depending on what Kaleidescape system you purchase. 

Wait...there are credits you get for this when you buy a K-Scape system?

33 minutes ago, GregCAMS said:

definitely prefer the stability, performance, reliability, and service with Kaleidescape

Pros and cons to DIY vs K-Scape, that is for sure. The quality and integration is second to none with K-Scape. In some cases the bitrate and quality even tops that of what can be bought on UHD Blu-ray.

With no DV support it first and foremost is designed for projectors. Tough price pill to swallow since I already own more 850 Blu-rays with more than 150 of them being 4k Blu-ray. Really don't want to have to buy those all again, even with "disc-to-digital" program they have.

It does work -- I used it myself for a few months for Bally Sports before they launched their standalone service -- but you'll need the IRUSB device and whatever driver is compatible with that guy (can't remember off hand).

Wow--didn't realize Zappiti was on the verge of liquidation. Looks like there were red flags as far back as March but they said all was well and it was just a "brand" issue and the hardware and everything else would continue to be find. Guess it wasn't.

Really wish K-Scape would allow local media to be added to their system. Would buy it in a heartbeat--but then again, they don't support Dolby Vision

7 minutes ago, Olichops said:

Yes you can integrate the Unifi Cams into C4. msgreenf in this thread has the driver for it. Mainly useful for viewing. If you want to do any NVR then best to go to the app or web browser.

Wrong thread?!?

On 8/14/2023 at 8:55 AM, ClassicMuscle said:

Any further thoughts on the  AVPro Edge AC-MXNET vs Binary (which does have Eth pass through)?

I have the Evolution 2 (EV2) version of AVPro Edge AC-MXNET in my home and love it. Works so well. If you want ethernet pass through, however, and it's a hard requirement, you'll need to jump up to the 10G version of MXNet, which is using the SDVoE standard. Keep in mind the price does jump quite a bit, but SDVoE has the lowest latency and can natively do some things like Multiview natively.

That said, I primarily went with MXNet EV2 over Binary because it can handle Dolby Vision and the support and warranty is rock-solid from AVProEdge. I can't speak to the functionality of the drivers for the Binary MoIP solutions, but for both RS-232 or IR control at endpoints for TVs/AVRs/etc, no IR or serial cables need to be plugged into the MXNet controller or an encoder to "bring it into the system" or "passthrough." The MXNet driver handles it all. I have another Cat6a drop at each endpoint so I don't worry too much about IP Control there--plus if I can use serial control, I generally always prefer that.