christophers Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 The WU API is ending on 31DEC2018 and they're moving people towards the Weather.com APIs. Is there an existing driver for weather.com and/or would someone be willing to write one? I'm also curious if C4 will work on it 1) at all, or 2) before the existing driver ceases to function. https://apicommunity.wunderground.com/weatherapi/topics/end-of-service-for-the-weather-underground-api Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Bump - anyone have any suggestion on what to use for weather info since WU access will go away in six weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thepritch88 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 I’m using chowmains internet weather driver with the dark skies service, forcast is always accurate with a lot of detailed info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christophers Posted November 19, 2018 Author Share Posted November 19, 2018 DarkSky is great, but I have a great weather station to provide even more accurate data than darksky. it seems they've extended the use of PWS owners API, but eventually that will be moved. IBM is handling this really poorly and not telling PWS owners what will happen, but when they do we will need to update this driver with the new API calls/hooks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Africa C4 user Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 4 hours ago, Thepritch88 said: I’m using chowmains internet weather driver with the dark skies service, forcast is always accurate with a lot of detailed info Does Darksky give local rainfall data which is what I need... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thepritch88 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 It gives precipitation intensity and probability as well as dew point and ozone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turls Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 I'm reading that as since I have a weather station and provide data to WU, I should be able to still access my own data. But it's a month away and they haven't finalized that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanri Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Hello, I am trying to install C4 Weather Station with WU but automatically service selector change to Control4 instead WU. According to WU service my API key is valid. I am bit a confuse, if my API key is valid should C4 weather driver work with WU service? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shivam Paw Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 3 hours ago, ivanri said: Hello, I am trying to install C4 Weather Station with WU but automatically service selector change to Control4 instead WU. According to WU service my API key is valid. I am bit a confuse, if my API key is valid should C4 weather driver work with WU service? I thought they won’t work any more. We released a DarkSky weather driver which gives a bunch of information for weather as well as the expected forecast in 1, 2 and 3 hours. If you want to check it out: https://www.blackwiredesigns.com/store/control4-weather-information-darksky/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 The only way API keys for WU still work is if you have a PWS and you are providing data to them. Then they give you free API access still. (love my pws) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanri Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 yes I have my PWS and wondering why C4 driver cannot stay on WU service? Is it because i have old API or something is wrong with c4 driver??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christophers Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, ivanri said: yes I have my PWS and wondering why C4 driver cannot stay on WU service? Is it because i have old API or something is wrong with c4 driver??? because wunderground changed their API. the old API doesn’t work and no one rewrote the driver other than using some generic forecast. also, new wunderground users can’t get an API key so its EOL anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanri Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 I am in contact with WU service to get updated API Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christophers Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, ivanri said: I am in contact with WU service to get updated API the challenge isn't getting the API calls; they're public info. the challenge is re-writing the driver, assuming it's not locked. and if it is, then you have to write an entirely new driver. AND you will need to take in to account the fact that legacy API keys are supported as well as new API keys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christophers Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 ref: https://apicommunity.wunderground.com/weatherapi/topics/end-of-service-for-the-weather-underground-api https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eKCnKXI9xnoMGRRzOL1xPCBihNV2rOet08qpE_gArAY/edit << this is the API documentation other info: https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/8tjavu/now_that_the_free_wunderground_api_has_been/ << other methods @Shivam Paw, i love darksky, but unfortunately i can't get real-time data from my PWS (Rainwise MkIII), and (unless I missed it) i'm not able to get triggers from events like tornado warnings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R_Willis Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 I also wish someone would fix this. We used to have a nice Cumulus driver (doesnt work past 2.0 I think), then we had the WU driver. Now it doesnt work. Wish Control4 offered something for those of us with personal weather stations (some being expensive). I invested in a Davis Vantage Pro2 back in the day cause it worked with Control4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christophers Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, R_Willis said: I also wish someone would fix this. We used to have a nice Cumulus driver (doesnt work past 2.0 I think), then we had the WU driver. Now it doesnt work. Wish Control4 offered something for those of us with personal weather stations (some being expensive). I invested in a Davis Vantage Pro2 back in the day cause it worked with Control4. same, i picked up a rainwise mkiii-LR and can't even use the data from it in my system, like outside temp and humidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 The real villain here is IBM which bought WU and totally changed the business model, despite the fact that the value of WU comes from the thousands of us that willingly provide data from our own PWSs. They begrudgingly continue to provide data to those of us with Weather Stations (thanks for providing me with my own data!) but they have totally changed their model to make it uneconomic for most users. They used to provide some data for free or have other services that cost around $10-$20 per month. Now the cheapest subscription is some like $950 per month. WU has come a long way from its founding in 1991 at Univ of Mich when it was created to provide open source weather data - you could access the data from gopher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christophers Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, zaphod said: The real villain here is IBM which bought WU and totally changed the business model, despite the fact that the value of WU comes from the thousands of us that willingly provide data from our own PWSs. They begrudgingly continue to provide data to those of us with Weather Stations (thanks for providing me with my own data!) but they have totally changed their model to make it uneconomic for most users. They used to provide some data for free or have other services that cost around $10-$20 per month. Now the cheapest subscription is some like $950 per month. WU has come a long way from its founding in 1991 at Univ of Mich when it was created to provide open source weather data - you could access the data from gopher. totally agree, but i also saw that WU has having trouble scaling and supporting on their own. their servers were constantly down for hours at a time, inconsistent data, loss of data, and more issues. while the people and the application were great, they needed help. i wish that IBM helped them in a less shitty way, but they DID need help. unfortunately, the fallout from this is widespread issues and disappointment. as an example, take a look at the response to the latest android app update Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 But there are other models of similar services that can run charging reasonable rates for their services. Schedules Direct is one example - $25/year for TV program data that is widely used by DVR programs. Their services get hit a lot and process lots of data - full program data and descriptions for hundreds of TV channels per user. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christophers Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, zaphod said: But there are other models of similar services that can run charging reasonable rates for their services. Schedules Direct is one example - $25/year for TV program data that is widely used by DVR programs. Their services get hit a lot and process lots of data - full program data and descriptions for hundreds of TV channels per user. Definitely, I don't disagree. What IBM did is they took a great, consumer- and business-facing service from all angles (www, api, analytics, and more) and cut all other services to consumers by pricing them out. As a company who is generally out of the consumer-facing game, this is what they're good at. I totally agree that there are other services, ones like DarkSky, which provide all of the stuff that they do to both consumer AND businesses. All they had to do was implement API call limits. The fact that IBM/WU hasn't done that and didn't make any plans to migrate despite the major backlash they got on their own forums is flat out incredible. What this really means is there's room for someone to take the spot. DarkSky is my pick, but they need to create a few more features to compete directly with WU's old model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Darksky needs more pws options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christophers Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, msgreenf said: Darksky needs more pws options. yep yep and yep. if they built that in, we wouldn't have a need for WU anymore. msgreenf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R_Willis Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 WU provides free API keys for those like myself that are providing them with data from our own PWSs. I really do not see a problem with that. I dont understand why Control4 cant pay one of their programming guys to rewrite the driver (prob take them less the a day I bet). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 But the only ones that can get API keys are those with Weather Stations and I think that may have been grandfathered as well. Most people, unlike those of us in this thread, don't have a PWS so there is very little demand for such a driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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