zaphod Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 I never really did any programming on remote controls until recently and I was surprised to find that remote control buttons are a room concept. Why is that? Why couldn't you have multiple remote controls tied to the same room? Isn't it more obvious to do the programming for pushing a button that is attached to the actual remote control rather than the room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Eh? 59 minutes ago, zaphod said: Why couldn't you have multiple remote controls tied to the same room? I'm not sure I understand that part. If you mean why couldn't any and all remote controls work the same in the same room - that is exactly what room level command programming would accomplish (easily). Not sure why it's surprising. Having it on the room allows you to do both global programming for a room and differentiate by device per room as required. What do you mean by device? The remote? How would that work when you move a remote to a different room, or use a touchscreen, let alone a phone or other mobile device? Not to mention that it would not even be POSSIBLE to do that on mobile devices, or even native touchscreens for that matter. Do you mean the 'source' ie the DVD player? What are you programming, lights to turn on when pause is pressed? So when you're watching that source in the living you want the Theatre lights to come on? Or put in line after line to track what room it is in? What if it's being used in more than one room? I can see why it at first glance may seem counter intuitive to program the 'blue' button in a room vs on the remote or even on the device (although in a lot of instances that could be done as well if the source has two-way communication drivers which of course depends on the driver as WELL as the actual source device having the ability to do so), but it is in fact the more sensible way of doing it. Hmm wait, do you perhaps mean to say 'how would I/why can I not program something to only happen for this source, or have different programming for different sources'? That would be what IF statements are for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted December 20, 2017 Author Share Posted December 20, 2017 When I want to tie programming to a six button keypad I tie the programming to that keypad in Composer. But when I want to tie programming to the blue button on a remote you don't select the remote and do the programming there, you do it at the room level. Let's say I had two remotes in my kitchen and I wanted to use the blue button from remote A to bring down the blinds and use the blue button on remote B to play a Blues playlist of music. Could I do that? Or is there only one blue button allowed per room. I guess it makes sense when you think of using these buttons from a Navigator on a phone or touchscreen. I was thinking of it more in a Device-centric world rather than a room-centric paradigm where the buttons on all "remotes" for the same room act the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 59 minutes ago, zaphod said: Could I do that? Or is there only one blue button allowed per room. No - and here's why. Unless you start labelling each remote - if I go and swap the two of them around, you couldn't tell the difference. So how would you know which is which? There is no way to keep remotes singled out for the end user (easily). 1 hour ago, zaphod said: I was thinking of it more in a Device-centric world rather than a room-centric paradigm where the buttons on all "remotes" for the same room act the same. Which would be the opposite of how C4 works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecschnei Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 On 12/20/2017 at 7:45 AM, zaphod said: When I want to tie programming to a six button keypad I tie the programming to that keypad in Composer. But when I want to tie programming to the blue button on a remote you don't select the remote and do the programming there, you do it at the room level. Let's say I had two remotes in my kitchen and I wanted to use the blue button from remote A to bring down the blinds and use the blue button on remote B to play a Blues playlist of music. Could I do that? Or is there only one blue button allowed per room. I guess it makes sense when you think of using these buttons from a Navigator on a phone or touchscreen. I was thinking of it more in a Device-centric world rather than a room-centric paradigm where the buttons on all "remotes" for the same room act the same. can you do a double tap on the remotes blue button to do the music? and a single for your blinds? Is that possible? Then you wouldn't need two remotes...or is there another reason to have 2 remotes there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegreatheed Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 All transport commands and almost all AV control are on a room level. Why would the color buttons be any different? Also, keypads can't roam between rooms, remotes can. This way the blue button can give you MORE functions--separate ones in each room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecschnei Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 I'd just add voice control...pushing buttons is so 2017 tech...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lippavisual Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Double taps not natively possible on the remotes, however you can do some logical programming to achieve a double tap using variables and timers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted December 21, 2017 Author Share Posted December 21, 2017 3 hours ago, ecschnei said: I'd just add voice control...pushing buttons is so 2017 tech...lol I actually have Echo Dots in most rooms with TVs but I have found that remembering the Syntax for more complex commands is difficult. And FAF/WAF isn't good unless you can get them to sit through training sessions Can Alexa commands be room specific - ie can you say "Alexa TV on" and it would know to apply this command to the room where the Alexa command was received, or would you have to say "Alexa, kitchen TV on". I generally have used the Epic driver. I think it is the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Just now, zaphod said: I actually have Echo Dots in most rooms with TVs but I have found that remembering the Syntax for more complex commands is difficult. And FAF/WAF isn't good unless you can get them to sit through training sessions Can Alexa commands be room specific - ie can you say "Alexa TV on" and it would know to apply this command to the room where the Alexa command was received, or would you have to say "Alexa, kitchen TV on". I generally have used the Epic driver. I think it is the latter. no they can't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecschnei Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Can you get around the room and syntax issues with the new routines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopedogg88 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 With our driver (Epic Systems), you can get around the room thing by setting up each echo under a separate Amazon account, and adding an instance of the driver to the project for each Amazon account. That way the trigger phrases aren't shared across Echos and therefore each echo can have simple commands like "TV", "apple TV", lights, shades etc...Can't do it with the c4 driver... Maybe thats what Mitch is referring to when he says no you can't?Just another reason why our driver is worth its weight in gold! Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 With our driver (Epic Systems), you can get around the room thing by setting up each echo under a separate Amazon account, and adding an instance of the driver to the project for each Amazon account. That way the trigger phrases aren't shared across Echos and therefore each echo can have simple commands like "TV", "apple TV", lights, shades etc...Can't do it with the c4 driver... Maybe thats what Mitch is referring to when he says no you can't?Just another reason why our driver is worth its weight in gold! Sent from my SM-N950U using TapatalkBut I mean who has 8 Amazon accounts? Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopedogg88 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Anyone who has 8 spare minutes? Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Anyone who has 8 spare minutes? Sent from my SM-N950U using TapatalkAnd 8 emails. And it's more then 8 minutes cause you to login and out of the Alexa app/site. Probably 15min of setup per room. But fair pointsSent from my BBB100-1 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopedogg88 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 We've done it for several clients. We have our own domain and can generate 8 emails in about 2 minutes. Use the Alexa browser interface instead of the mobile app and things go much faster as well. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 We've done it for several clients. We have our own domain and can generate 8 emails in about 2 minutes. Use the Alexa browser interface instead of the mobile app and things go much faster as well. Sent from my SM-N950U using TapatalkImho I would not be generating accounts for customers but to each their own Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopedogg88 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Hah good oneSent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopedogg88 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 You wouldn't last very long in Aspen! Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 You wouldn't last very long in Aspen! Sent from my SM-N950U using TapatalkThat's fine. I'm not looking to move Sent from my BBB100-1 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted December 22, 2017 Author Share Posted December 22, 2017 I am guessing the skiing is better in Aspen than in Kentucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopedogg88 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Indeed. Better skiing and more natural voice control apparently Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted December 22, 2017 Author Share Posted December 22, 2017 18 hours ago, chopedogg88 said: With our driver (Epic Systems), you can get around the room thing by setting up each echo under a separate Amazon account, and adding an instance of the driver to the project for each Amazon account. That way the trigger phrases aren't shared across Echos and therefore each echo can have simple commands like "TV", "apple TV", lights, shades etc... Can't do it with the c4 driver... Maybe thats what Mitch is referring to when he says no you can't? Just another reason why our driver is worth its weight in gold! Interesting - but I guess the downside to this is that any programming that you do for the Echo in C4 is unique to that specific Echo device. So you can't use the same command across n Echos unless you do the programming n times, once for each Echo. So it simplifies commands in each room but makes it trickier to do whole-house commands or at least have them the same from all Echos in a house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopedogg88 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Correct. You'd have to do those in each one. Of course it's not very difficult, just call a macro and you're done.And I find that most of the whole home commands only get called from certain Echos (master bedroom and the one near the entry/exit in my experience) Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 I am guessing the skiing is better in Aspen than in Kentucky.Bourbons better in KY. Sent from my BBB100-1 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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