rf9000 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 All, New construction home with two Napolean BL46 fireplaces and one Napolean LV74N fireplace. We are finishing up wiring and want to automate all three. The BL46 fireplaces are pretty basic and are just on and off. The LV74N has LED lights and flame control. We are guessing that if we want to automate this that we will lose that control but that doesn’t matter to us. Can anyone help us out with the specifics on the easiest way to do this? For the BLs, do we just run a single run 14 guage speaker wire from fireplace to C4 SW and that should work? Do we do the same with the LV? Or do we run a CAT6 to each fireplace and then to C4 relay extender? BL46 https://www.napoleon.com/sites/default/files/fireplaces_products/Ascent-Linear-Series-Owner-s-Manual.pdf LV74N https://www.napoleon.com/sites/default/files/fireplaces_products/Acies-Vector-Luxuria-Series-Owner-s-Manual.pdf please help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanchow Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 Given it has an RF remote it might be compatible with Bond Bridge http://chowmainsoft.com/bond-control4 If you reach out to Bond support with the remote controls FCC ID they will advise if its compatible or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rf9000 Posted June 25, 2020 Author Share Posted June 25, 2020 7 hours ago, alanchow said: Given it has an RF remote it might be compatible with Bond Bridge http://chowmainsoft.com/bond-control4 If you reach out to Bond support with the remote controls FCC ID they will advise if its compatible or not. I also just noticed that that Napolean has an Efire bluetooth App to control my fireplaces. It lists both the BL46 and the LV74N as compatible with the app! It would be awesome if there was a driver for control4. I suppose there isn't though? It would just have to be a simple driver that would allow on/off, flame control, LED control, and that is about it. Just like the screen shot attached Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rf9000 Posted June 25, 2020 Author Share Posted June 25, 2020 7 hours ago, alanchow said: Given it has an RF remote it might be compatible with Bond Bridge http://chowmainsoft.com/bond-control4 If you reach out to Bond support with the remote controls FCC ID they will advise if its compatible or not. Here is the screenshot of the actual Efire app and a webpage link https://www.napoleon.com/en/ca/fireplaces/learn/features/efire-bluetooth-control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo1738 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 Again Bond Bridge is probably the easiest and quickest solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 How would I know if the Bond Bridge would be able to control my fireplace? I have a Rasmussen gas log kit that uses an RF remote. Is there any way to determine what frequencies that my remote control may use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vstar Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 1 hour ago, zaphod said: How would I know if the Bond Bridge would be able to control my fireplace? I have a Rasmussen gas log kit that uses an RF remote. Is there any way to determine what frequencies that my remote control may use? in your case it looks like you may be in luck, since i did not have your exact model i guessed at this one (manual attached), i then took the FCC ID from that manual and punched it in here https://bondhome.io/supported-devices/ and it yielded these results https://bondhome.io/supported-devices/?fcc=K9L1001 , assuming your remotes is one of the 3 supported ones you should be good with Alan's driver and a bond available on amazon.ca since you are in Canada https://www.amazon.ca/BOND-Makes-Ceiling-Google-Compatible/dp/B071GVGVVH/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=Bond+Smart+Home+Wifi+Hub&qid=1593105479&sr=8-5 . as for the original poster sorry I did not have as good of luck finding his, that's not to say its not supported, i just could not quickly and easily find the same information. SR-2R instructions.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 Awesome - the remotes on that link look exactly the same as mine. The FCC ID on mine is K9L1001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lippavisual Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 I have a Napolean FP too and just use the Bluetooth app for it. If you want I can check the remotes ID and post it for you? I don’t turn it on enough for me to want to integrate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rf9000 Posted June 25, 2020 Author Share Posted June 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, lippavisual said: I have a Napolean FP too and just use the Bluetooth app for it. If you want I can check the remotes ID and post it for you? I don’t turn it on enough for me to want to integrate it. Yes! Could you please send me the Id and the model of your fireplace? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vstar Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 24 minutes ago, zaphod said: Awesome - the remotes on that link look exactly the same as mine. The FCC ID on mine is K9L1001 come to think of it if it was just this one thing you wanted the bond bridge for you could save yourself some time and money and just hard wire a hack? since your remote only has 2 functions (on and off) you could either use 2 relay ports on a home controller of your choice or a IO extender or a wireless relay/contact module and solder it to the pads on the board of the remote? chances are you have one of these already and you would only require a bit of system programming to bind the relay ports? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 I don't actually have a wireless relay/contact module and they cost much more than the Bond bridge. And the log set is not very close to any controllers, unless I were to drill a hole through the wall or floor. I have a few surplus Global Cache units but the ones that I have are wired. The remote actually controls flame size by holding down the on button but you may be able to simulate that with a relay as well. It also looks like the Bond Bridge has a well documented API so rather than buying the driver I could just use Alan's TCP driver and hit a URL - or do this through an intermediate step on a Raspberry Pi which I do for a couple of other things today. http://docs-local.appbond.com/#section/Introduction Since it is a local API, rather than cloud based, security shouldn't be an issue. There is a security token but the docs don't mention anything about the token expiring so presumably you could hard code it into the command. Here is a command using Curl to set the speed of a fan with the Bond API. You should be able to emulate this command with the Generic TCP driver sending an HTTP PUT command. I presume that fireplace commands should be very similar. curl -H "BOND-Token: f074b61f628018fd" -i http://192.100.0.61/v2/devices/79135791/actions/SetSpeed -X PUT -d "{\"argument\": 3}" vstar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vstar Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, zaphod said: I don't actually have a wireless relay/contact module and they cost much more than the Bond bridge. And the log set is not very close to any controllers, unless I were to drill a hole through the wall or floor. I have a few surplus Global Cache units but the ones that I have are wired. The remote actually controls flame size by holding down the on button but you may be able to simulate that with a relay as well. It also looks like the Bond Bridge has a well documented API so rather than buying the driver I could just use Alan's TCP driver and hit a URL - or do this through an intermediate step on a Raspberry Pi which I do for a couple of other things today. http://docs-local.appbond.com/#section/Introduction Since it is a local API, rather than cloud based, security shouldn't be an issue. There is a security token but the docs don't mention anything about the token expiring so presumably you could hard code it into the command. Here is a command using Curl to set the speed of a fan with the Bond API. You should be able to emulate this command with the Generic TCP driver sending an HTTP PUT command. I presume that fireplace commands should be very similar. curl -H "BOND-Token: f074b61f628018fd" -i http://192.100.0.61/v2/devices/79135791/actions/SetSpeed -X PUT -d "{\"argument\": 3}" sounds like a plan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lippavisual Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 52 minutes ago, rf9000 said: Yes! Could you please send me the Id and the model of your fireplace? ProFlame 2 Transmitter FCC ID: T99058402300 This is my unit, but I have the first generation: https://www.napoleon.com/en/ca/fireplaces/products/gas-fireplaces/vector-series/vector-50-lv50n-2 Already looked it up for Bond and says its compatible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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