todd1 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Has anyone had any experience (pro/con) with the new essential wireless switches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dueport Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 Looking to switch to C4 and these would be the switch I’d go with. Would love to hear any feedback experience too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 Cheaper to buy (which is their only PRO) for a reason: -Don't look as nice -Not the same level of LED feedback (on/off only on one small led) -NO engraving -NO keypads -FORWARD phase only (limited support of bulbs) on the dimmer version -CONSIDERABLE increase in power consumption (450mw to 3W from 'main' line to essential) Beyond that, function wise they're basically the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejn1 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 44 minutes ago, Cyknight said: Cheaper to buy (which is their only PRO) for a reason: -Don't look as nice -Not the same level of LED feedback (on/off only on one small led) -NO engraving -NO keypads -FORWARD phase only (limited support of bulbs) on the dimmer version -CONSIDERABLE increase in power consumption (450mw to 3W from 'main' line to essential) Beyond that, function wise they're basically the same Did realize the Forward Phase bit... That one is a big downer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 1 minute ago, ejn1 said: Did realize the Forward Phase bit... That one is a big downer... there needed to be an easy way to make it a lower price point... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejn1 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, msgreenf said: there needed to be an easy way to make it a lower price point... understand the cost dimension. Makes the Adaptive Phase Dimmer an even better value given the difference in other features as well. msgreenf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdougray Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Does anybody know if this essential type switch will be extended to the square range to cater for us in the UK market? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dueport Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Still learning about C4 here but I believe the Adaptive Phase Dimmer has a lux sensor for turning on backlighting. Can anyone share whether that lux output can be used to program off of beyond just the backlight? In other words, if light level of that sensor reaches a level then turn all the lights in that room on or to a set level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Yes. There is a driver that allows you to do that. Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dueport Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Thank you for responding so quickly - really helpful - that’s a huge benefit then because it reduces clutter. I have motion sensing down because I could bring in motion sensors from my Honeywell panel but I thought I’d need to stick another sensor in somewhere in the room for lux reading. Nice and clean - I like that. Currently I have GE/Jasco ZWave/Zigbee switches and dimmers on every circuit around the house. I believe these are forward phase only and they claim to be compatible with led lights. We have noticed that dimmers seem to cause a pulsating effect sometimes with our dimmable Philips led recessed lights. I wasn’t sure if this was due to the dimmer or the led driver or both. Can anyone hazard a guess as to whether replacing the forward phase only dimmer with the C4 adaptive phase dimmer will fix this problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Dueport said: I wasn’t sure if this was due to the dimmer or the led driver or both. Can anyone hazard a guess as to whether replacing the forward phase only dimmer with the C4 adaptive phase dimmer will fix this problem? That's the big question isn't it? IF the recessed lights themselves are rated as dimmable, then it's 99% certain the adaptive phase dimmers can handle them. But unless you can get and check a model number on the lights... Adaptive phase dimmers (once properly configured with min on settings and cold start settings) can sometimes offer dimming capability even on not-rated lights (note that it is NOT supported by C4!!!) but it'll be chance only, and it may not offer a lot of 'range' even so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyknight Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 8 hours ago, tdougray said: Does anybody know if this essential type switch will be extended to the square range to cater for us in the UK market? Partially out of C4's hands as these units are not fully produced and/or designed by them AFAIK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thepritch88 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 23 hours ago, msgreenf said: Yes. There is a driver that allows you to do that. Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk Hi Mitch can you tell me what that driver is called? it sounds very useful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msgreenf Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Thepritch88 said: Hi Mitch can you tell me what that driver is called? it sounds very useful https://drivercentral.io/platforms/control4-drivers/ambient-light-monitor/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EverAction Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 On 8/23/2020 at 5:53 AM, Dueport said: Still learning about C4 here but I believe the Adaptive Phase Dimmer has a lux sensor for turning on backlighting. Can anyone share whether that lux output can be used to program off of beyond just the backlight? In other words, if light level of that sensor reaches a level then turn all the lights in that room on or to a set level? FYI, you have the right idea but the product isn’t up to the challenge. The light sensors in the V2 lighting are notorious for poor readings. When you se people talking about engraving backlighting that pulses or doesn’t respond correctly, it’s the light sensor. So yes in theory it should work. It won’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dueport Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Thank for for that feedback - that’s exactly the type of experience that is invaluable and it makes perfect sense given the posts about backlighting. Thank you again - you saved me a lot of expense and frustration! EverAction 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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